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cb in wisc.

02-09-2007 09:21:22




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With this recent cold snap in the midwest, my 1650
Oliver diesel has decided that it don't want to run. I think the fuel has gelled. Going to change the fuel filter and add a diesel additive.
Was thinking about putting a magnetic block heater on the fuel tank to warm that up. Anybody ever tried that? I have had the regular block heater, plugged in for the last few days. It will
pop over but then stops. Any suggestions?

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Randy as in Randy-IA

02-10-2007 22:23:02




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 Re: one cold diesel in reply to cb in wisc., 02-09-2007 09:21:22  
Hi , Wednesday morning at 7:45 , temp was at -13* , I had a job to do with a FMC HTC50 hydraulic crane with a 6-71 driptroit . We had it plugged in all night and had at least 50% #1 diesel and the rest was winterized ( 50-50 mix ) . It fired up instantly and ran good while airing up and warming up for at least 45 minutes . I made it about 3/4 of a mile from the shop when the fuel lines gelled up . Heating with a torch , a gallon of 9-1-1 and three cans of ether later the starter motor jammed against the ring gear . No one wanted to change the fuel filters in subzero weather with the wind blowing about 10 to 15 mph . We should have done that first but couldn't believe the fuel had actually gelled since we couldn't see any crystals in the tank . But when the starter jammed we had to hire the biggest wrecker in the area to pull it back to the shop . As he started pulling me backwards I let the clutch out in reverse and got the starter unstuck . Out on the side of the highway for 8 hours trying to get that thing to run . We plugged it back in and tryed it on Friday but no go even after changing the filters in the yard . We couldn't get it to run again till Friday afternoon then put it inside the shop . My very long point being that below -10 it's still a cr@pshoot as to whether the fuel will gell . We always add a quart of powerservice to it when the tanks topped off and it has a 60 gallon tank . I guess is there might have been some free water in the line . I don't know . Just my two cents ...Randy

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the flying Belgian

02-10-2007 18:46:42




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 Re: one cold diesel in reply to cb in wisc., 02-09-2007 09:21:22  
I agree with the reddy heater sugestion. I do this instead of block heater. not only will engine start but fuel in tank will be warm to prevent geling nd you will have better oil preasure at startup and heater will throw more heat sooner. all this in two hours for the same cost of running block heater one day.



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Don Wadge

02-09-2007 17:20:31




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 Re: one cold diesel in reply to cb in wisc., 02-09-2007 09:21:22  
Try pouring a good amount of boiling water (1 gal.should do) over the pump and over the filter too if you can get at it. Pour it on the injector lines too if you can. Don't dump it on just pour it over. The idea is to warm the pump and fuel. I've done this many times and it works great if you're borderline to going. This also works good on a gasoline engine by pouring the hot water over the carburetor. I've only used this on tractors with an updraft carburetor. And don't be afraid to give it a sniff of either on the diesel.

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jddriver

02-09-2007 15:05:40




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 Re: one cold diesel in reply to cb in wisc., 02-09-2007 09:21:22  
gasoline does nothing to improve the cloud or pour oint of diesel.The first thing is proper fuel management and getting rid of the water.All fuel has some water in it.Next is get some additive that lowers cloud point.I use isopropal alchohol to handle water.I run straight #2 all year round and dont have no problems even in the -0 weather.If you can get warm fuel to the engine and the engine up to operating tempthe warm return will help huge.I also insulate my filter from cold and after engine warms up I expose engine side of filter.Hope this helps

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Doug in Illinois

02-09-2007 13:49:36




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 Re: one cold diesel in reply to cb in wisc., 02-09-2007 09:21:22  
My dad used to work in a truck stop in Nebraska after his regular job, and told me that when they had to go rescue gelled up semis they poured about a gallon of unleaded gasoline per 100 gallons of diesel. Says it would work its way thru the gel. At such a low ratio said never had any problems. One point he made is when you get fuel delivered from a tank wagon to the farm, do you think the pump and hose was completly empty of any previous product residue? Probably wouldn't hurt to pour a couple cups of gasoline in with the red bottle Power Service 911.

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RN

02-09-2007 13:38:37




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 Re: one cold diesel in reply to cb in wisc., 02-09-2007 09:21:22  
10% unleaded gas in diesel for freezing temps toprevent gelling. IHC had the recommendations in ops manual for 350, 560, truck. 20% for really cold use. Cummings, Cat, Mercedes have some of same recommendations- about 5 to 10% for gell temperatures, a bit more for sub zero. RN.



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jddriver

02-09-2007 15:10:07




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 Re: one cold diesel in reply to RN, 02-09-2007 13:38:37  
My 3406B it is not ok to put gasoline in this



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davpal

02-09-2007 10:43:27




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 Re: one cold diesel in reply to cb in wisc., 02-09-2007 09:21:22  
The easiest way to get it warmed up is pointing a 100,000 btu reddy heater right at the side of the tractor engine and fuel tank. You have to use common sense and not burn the thing up but it heats everything up very fast and you will have it going in very short order. Those things put out a lot of heat fast. Some guys will even build a little enclosure around the tractor to hold the heat better. I think the magnetic block heater would be ok to put on the tank. Even if it raised the temp a few degrees it might be enough to do the job. Good luck

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steve from mo - dangit!

02-09-2007 09:27:07




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 How full is the tank? in reply to cb in wisc., 02-09-2007 09:21:22  
A diesel fuel additive probably won"t let you run 100% #2 diesel if it"s really cold out.

If you have room, put some #1 diesel in to mix with the #2. Drain half the tank if you need to make room. Then wait a few hours. Mercedes Benz used to recommend mixing gasoline with #2 diesel. It would be really hard to melt the paraffin in the fuel lines with a magnet heater on the tank.



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paul

02-09-2007 10:04:57




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 Re: How full is the tank? in reply to steve from mo - dangit!, 02-09-2007 09:27:07  
My 1720 will start at 5 degrees, no heat at all, on #2 and a can of Seafoam, a dose of Power service.

I'd not do that if I were going on road, or away from the yard.....

Once gelled up, then you have to work harder to get the gel fluid again. Some additives are designed to work on already gelled fuel - sch as 9-1-1 in a red bottle.

Mixing #1 in is also a very good idea. Some use kerosene.

--->Paul

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paul

02-09-2007 10:13:32




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 Re: How full is the tank? in reply to paul, 02-09-2007 10:04:57  
Oh yea, this is 2% soydeisel as mandated in Minnesota.

--->Paul



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