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welding flash to the eyes

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Todd in Mo

01-30-2007 17:22:51




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I,m sure anyone that has done any welding has flash burned their eyes as I have over the years, so I wasn't to worried about it when the welding helmet broke so I tried to tough it out by closing my eyes when the arch flash came. 30 min of this hit and miss method is bad news. I wish I could back up time!!! After one of the most painfull nights in my life and a expensive trip to the doctor, I am now missing a day of work and putting medicated eye drops in my eyes that come from a thimble size bottle that cost $50.00. I will be much more carefull in the future. IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!

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Howard H.

01-31-2007 11:57:21




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  

I've done a lot of welding - but one time came away from 45 minutes of work with a pretty bad eye burn.

Not sure if it was reflections from something behind me back into the helmet, or if the glass was somehow slid out of position wrong in the helmet, but I was in pretty bad shape for a day or two. It was a helmet we'd used a lot and still do - and I didn't notice anything wrong while I was welding - never really figured out how I got bit, but it has made me extra careful...

Not long after that, I bought a high-dollar autodarkening helmet. It was in the barn on the welding table with the old one.

A tornado came by about 3 months after that and guess what? It left the old one on the table and sucked the new one out the door... I found pieces of it scattered around the barn...

HH

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Stumpalump

01-31-2007 06:38:42




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
Your cornea (the outside of your eye) is curved like a magnafing glass. It focuses the light on your retina.( the nerves in the back of your eye).Your retina is the consitancy of wet toilet paper and burns easily. You burned and killed part of you retina ever time you recieved welders flash. Every flash kills some nerves and leaves you blind in that spot reducing your vision. How much vision you choose to kill is up to you. I think the pain you feel is just sunburn on the cornea and it heals well but your retina you can't feel. It cooks in silence. Cateracts is the hardening and discoloration of the intrnal lens of the eye. As soon as the doctor says you are a candidate for surgery and insurance will pay get it done. This is the most common sugery performed in the US today. Just find a doctor that has done them for years and performs them more than once a week. This is the buisness I am in and have seen some poor part time cateract cowboys. Ears dye slow from extended 100db sound level. Keep you shooters muffs near your grinders and hammers in the shop and just get in the habit.

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Don L C

01-31-2007 05:58:33




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
Todd....now is a good time to get a new helmet..... WWW.Harber Freight.com ---has their solar powerd auto-darkening helmet on sale until 2-12....for $59.99 --- Mine is 3 yrs.and I love it...I bought my stepson one for Chirstmas.He likes his also....Get you one..... .Don



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Oldmax

01-31-2007 04:48:14




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
Always use some sort of eye protecion when welding . I have had my eyes burned just being in the same building where some one was welding .



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Rick Kr

01-30-2007 20:29:11




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
Are you sure you actually got good weld penetration if your eyes were closed?

I always keep a two helmets around now because I broke a lens one day and couldn't finish up the job.

Next item on my list is an autodarkening helmet. A buddy is a welder and I borrow his from time to time, sure beats flipping the lid up and down all the time.

1 lost day of work and $50 at the doctor... you are aweful close to the cost of a good autodarkening helmet.

Rick

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Don LC

01-31-2007 06:04:19




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Rick Kr, 01-30-2007 20:29:11  
Rick--- WWW.Harber Freight.com ---$50 until 2/12...mine is 3 yrs. old, love it.....Don



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MF#1

01-30-2007 19:04:21




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
I was walking by a guy in Saudi several years ago that was welding a chain link fence post. He was stick welding away with no helmet, glasses, or anything! That can"t be good! Hope your eyes get better!



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IBorange in TX

01-30-2007 18:45:13




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
I know this sounds weird. I have used slices of Irish Potatoes placed on the eye lids, for the eye burn. It relieves it in a pretty short time. It doesn't cost much.
Good Luck..... .....



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T_Bone

01-31-2007 02:11:03




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to IBorange in TX, 01-30-2007 18:45:13  
I've also used any sliced potatoes like IBorange to relieve flash burn pain. Severe flash burn still requires a trip to the eye Doc for the eye drops. The potatoe slice just helps with the pain.

What worked for me was a 3/4 No.4 colored face shield used for Oxy/Act cutting while tacking. This is a light enough shade that the "fitter" can see to make the fit up but dark enough to stop flash burn. No, you still can't look directly at the tack weld but it will help with the "suprise" flash.

Sorry but if your still flashing yourself as the weldor, you need to practice tacking for a couple hours on scrap metal. This is the only way to train yourself not to look at that instant "start". You will learn to slightly delay opening your eyes after the arc is established.

Mig is the simplest to tack with. Use a long cup with the tip set back into the cup by 1/16" to 1/8". Use a 1/2" electrode stub to find your joint seam then give it a little squirt. The amps need to be turned up about 40amps from where you would normaly use for welding. This makes for a small fairly flat tack.

Tig needs a full welding hood use as you need to see when metal fusion takes place for tacking. No filler rod is used if the joint is preparred correctly.

Stick is also a easy tacking process. Using 6010 or 6011 with about 30amps more than required for welding, place the electrode between your "V" in your glove fingers directly over the joint seam, then poke the rod "quickly" to the joint and hold for a few seconds. That's for a quick tack. Quick tack first then long tack second if needed.

T_Bone

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T_Bone

01-31-2007 02:17:22




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to T_Bone, 01-31-2007 02:11:03  
Hi Todd,

This would have been a great question for the "Tool Forum" as 99% of welding questions are answered/posted there.

Easy for someone to look up the topic in one forum plus the Tool forum moves slower thus the questions get more responses.

T_Bone



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NEsota

01-30-2007 18:43:47




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
It is my understanding that the flash from welding has the same affect on the eyes as sever sun exposure and that exposure to sun light is what causes cataracts. Like, if we live long enough we will get cancer and we will also get cataracts if we are exposed to the sun long enough. They are probably the only eyes you will ever have, take good care of them.

Another thing do we know that closing our eye lids protects them from U.V. rays? An eye surgeon pointed out that the lids were not designed to stop flying metal fragments like happen sometimes when pounding a chisel with a hammer.

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MarkB_MI

01-30-2007 18:21:10




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
Were you wearing safety glasses? I've been told that polycarbonate safety glasses will cut out something like 99 percent of the UV light, so even if you flash your eyes they won't get burned.



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Todd in Mo

01-30-2007 18:36:44




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-30-2007 18:21:10  
No, just an idiot at work.



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Alberta Mike

01-30-2007 18:00:20




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
Todd, I think we all have done some "tacking" without a helmet/glass but actual welding? How do you know where you're welding?



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old art

01-30-2007 18:25:51




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Alberta Mike, 01-30-2007 18:00:20  
i keep an old helmet around for when someone wants to watch that could be a saver for a broken one.



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Steven@AZ

01-30-2007 17:54:57




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
Been there, done that... a couple of times. Both times I had to have my prescription re-done because I couldn't see as well afterwards. If I would have been smart it would have only been the one time... but the glass broke and I just had to get the project done.

Hearing protection is another one of those things I wish I would have discovered about 15 years ago when I started running the old 806, 1256, etc... live and learn.

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marlowe

01-30-2007 17:54:48




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
i use milk in the eyes best thing i have found a old guy that was a welder for 40 years told me about using milk



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ChadS

01-30-2007 17:45:21




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to Todd in Mo, 01-30-2007 17:22:51  
Did they give you "gentamiacin"? Thats good stuff to relive welders eye. Usually will hit you during the night time hours, when your eyes are regenerating during sleep. Keep a warm wet cloth on your eyes every so often,, it helps,,, been there,, suffered that! I hate it when that happens,,, Shouldnt last more than a day or two,,, hopefully,,, I used to work in a welding shop years back and Id have to crawl up inside the container we were building,, and the reflection alone was enough to give me the worst sunburn I had ever had!! May as well been weldin in front of a mirror. Chad

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IA Roy

01-30-2007 18:22:09




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to ChadS, 01-30-2007 17:45:21  
I work for a company with a large welding department. I was amazed when I found out that the people tackwelding things together do not wear welding helmets. They use a tig welder gun, locate it, close their eyes and pull the trigger. Sometimes depending on what they are doing, they just shield themselves with their other gloved hand. I haven't heard of any problems with the eyes. I supervised the department 2 weeks before Christmas and 2 weeks after. I was surprised that I never had any symptoms. There is a lot of flash exposure to anyone in the area. The automatic seam welders can cause a great deal of sunburn to the full time operators. A few of them wear sunscreen on their faces.

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NC Wayne

01-30-2007 18:34:24




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to IA Roy, 01-30-2007 18:22:09  
I used to work for a company that made service bodies for trucks. We did everything with MIG and never wore helments when tacking the bodies up, it would have taken way too long to do them otherwise. Basically it was locate the gun, look away or shield it with a glove and tack away. We were required to wear safety glasses regardless so most of us wore the shaded sunglass style ones to cut down on reflected glare off the walls. Beyond that the helments didn't come out til it was time to do the full welds. Did it this way for nearly 3 years and never once burned my eyes. Now the sunburn on the insides of my upper arms til a new "base tan" was established every spring was another thing....

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doogdoog

01-30-2007 20:54:13




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to NC Wayne, 01-30-2007 18:34:24  
Aloha, People that use Tig without any eye protection will eventually have eye problems later in the years if not sooner. They think that the arc created is not as bad as an arc welder so they are very careless and use inadequate protection or none at all (they will feel sorry later).

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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sibby(AUS)

01-31-2007 05:01:50




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to doogdoog, 01-30-2007 20:54:13  
Howdy fellas, Best thing i found was plain common tea leaves, wrapped in a cotton cloth and placed on the eyes. i learnt this one night bout 35 years ago when i woke up and felt like a handful of sand in my eyes and tears enough to fill a bucket. an old boilermaker told me when i was still an apprentice and it worked more than once, no trip to the doc, no drops needed. try it. cheers from down under.

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Rexalot

01-31-2007 22:22:52




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 Re: welding flash to the eyes in reply to sibby(AUS), 01-31-2007 05:01:50  
The only problem with using milk as an eye solution is the bacteria that grows in it over time.

It works, as we use it or castor oil when we get chemicals that irritate (burn) the eyes here at work in them.

To each his own.



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