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Mike in Ind.

01-29-2007 14:19:16




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I posted awhile back about my tranny in my truck acting up when its cold. The tranny won't shift out of second untill the engine warms up. I took the advice I recived and had the PCM reflashed but still have the same problem. It only seems to act up when the outside temp is 32 deg. or below. I was told by the dealer that there is a bad o-ring in the trans. somewhere or there is a shift solinoid acting up. Said that even if it was just the o-ring it would cost $700 just to take the tranny out. or possibly $2-2300 to fix if the solinoid is bad. This seems rather expensive to me as I can get a rebuilt tranny for much less than $2300. Are these guys giving me the run around? I know that the truck was fully warmed up when they worked on it and they didn't road test it. Mike.

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buickanddeere

01-30-2007 14:30:00




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 14:19:16  
Some of those earlier 4L80's had sticking or bypassing valve body components. The after market shift kits usually contain updated replacments and mod instructions.



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Ken Smous

01-30-2007 04:48:09




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 14:19:16  
Just currious as to what part of Indiana are you in? I have a really great trans shop in northern Indiana that I without question trust. (Certified Transmission owned by Don Kuwicki) I'm a former GM SAE certified technician, but transmissions were not my favorite thing to work on. I specialized in heavy engine repair and forwarded my trans work to Don. I agree based on what Allen in NE started about the temp switches. The default is second gear in most 4L80E trans and I think that this also applies to the 4L60E. I got stupid and went back to school and became the dreaded engineer I used to curse out daily for the way they engineered a vehicle. I'm still farming with pre computerized equipment and have not intention to go thru the same problems you are having with your transmission. I know technology is great and has many places in todays world but when my dealer comes to the field to run a scan as to way the combine or tractor won't run or move, give me a JD 4020, IH 1066 and I won't complain one bit.- Ken

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Allan In NE

01-30-2007 00:57:15




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 14:19:16  
Mike,

Don’t think your dealer has never ran into this before because he is trying to lead you down a very expensive road and like Brokenwrench says, there simply is nothing wrong with your transmission.

Think about it. The tranny isn't going to be defective and then somehow magically fix itself every morning only after the engine warms up.

Have your favorite mechanic put his scan tool on the truck. Watch to see when it comes into loop. It shouldn’t take long; roughly 1 ½ to 2 minutes. If memory serves, in about ’99 or 2000, GM changed that threshold down from 151 to (I think) 95 degrees to lessen cold start emissions.

Since that transmission defaults to second (both solenoids off), it will never upshift past second until the PCM gets off the chair and starts throwing commands.

Don't know what engine/transmission you have, but there will be two temperature send switches. If you’re convinced that your thermostat is okay (not stuck open), I'd be for checking the small send switch with the multiple wires.

That’s the boy that gives control over to the computers when the time is right.

Not trying ot nose into your thread; just trying to help,

Allan

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Brokenwrench

01-30-2007 06:09:57




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Allan In NE, 01-30-2007 00:57:15  
Allan,
You must`ve come thru the dealerships when common sense still prevailed. I ain`t sayin that there aren`t some sharp techs out there, but....
Two years ago I was offered training at an ACDelco training center for a great price thru our rebuilders assoc. I took every class I could. While I was there I asked the instructor why was there only independant mechanics at these classes, where were the dealership guys?
He said that GM feels it costs too much to send their techs. To their own training center??
What happens then, is if you have a problem that isn`t covered by a bulletin, you`re kinda SOL.

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Allan In NE

01-30-2007 07:56:21




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Brokenwrench, 01-30-2007 06:09:57  
Yes Sir,

I did the same exact thing; took every blessed class I could find on automatics. Since I worked 95% on GM, of course I was forever in the front office yammerin' for another tranny school thru GM.

Oftentimes, if I ran into something I couldn't handle, I would call in direct to the tech center in Minneapolis and talk one-to-one with the instructor.

Used to be a lot of these guys would just throw in another transmission hoping to "cover the problem"; doesn't work that way anymore. :>)

Allan

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hawken79

01-29-2007 22:37:09




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 14:19:16  
Just my 2 cents, but I have the same truck and it has been doing that ever since new. I haul tractors and anything else that will fit on my trailer without a problem. It now has 103,000 on it.



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hawken69

01-29-2007 22:36:20




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 14:19:16  
Just my 2 cents, but I have the same truck and it has been doing that ever since new. I haul tractors and anything else that will fit on my trailer without a problem. It now has 103,000 on it.



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Michael Soldan

01-29-2007 17:58:29




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 14:19:16  
Mike, what year is your truck? Iam not a tranny expert but where I worked sometimes the simplest things worked. Someone suggested your vehicle's computer may be fudging the shift pattern. We found that if we disconnected the battery for a minute , then reconnected the computer would reset itself(Most GM products) and when the computer reset dash light warnings would disappear and everything would be in working order.WE did this after using the scan tool for codes and if we found no default codes we would disconnect. I've done this with our van several times when it would give some silly reading or a door buzzer wouldn't shut off. Once the computer reset everything was fine..just a thought...

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Michael Soldan

01-29-2007 18:01:03




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-29-2007 17:58:29  
What year is your truck?..what a bright question, I guess I can't read..or didn't read the title carefully, anyway good luck Mike



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Lumpy

01-29-2007 15:43:35




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 14:19:16  
Sounds pricey to me. A friend of mine had his done back in october. '98 K1500. The trans shop took it out, completely rebuilt it on the bench and put it back in. The bill was $1392.17 out the door. Comes with a 15 month/ 15,000 mile warranty.



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Ray

01-29-2007 15:37:14




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 14:19:16  
My duramax 3/4 ton has a switch that keeps it from shifting until the oil temp reaches a certain degree.



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Brokenwrench

01-29-2007 15:06:31




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 14:19:16  
Mike, is this a half ton or 3/4 ton. What I`m wondering is if it`s the 4L60E or the 4L80E trans? Did they find any codes? I wouldn`t get too jumpy about pullin the trans.
As far as the dealer goes, if they didn`t drive it cold, or experience the problem, I wouldn`t take their advice. They have alot to gain if you do. There`s only about 20 different o-rings and seals in those trans. Shift solenoid problems usually show up hot(resistance goes up with temp). So I`d lean away from that. If you had a shift sol. problem, you`d get a screwy shift pattern and there would be codes associated with it. What I would do is get it to a good tranny shop, explain to them the problem, and what the dealer has done so far. What they need to find out is if the no shift is being commanded by the computer or not. This trans has no brain of it`s own, no throttle valve cable, vacuum mod, governor, or anything.
The computer does all the thinking, and it relies on info from a bunch of sensors throughout the truck. If the computer is getting bad info from anywhere, that can wig the whole thing out.
If you can give me some of the info they gave you when they scanned it, (any codes or explaination) maybe I can be more help. Brokenwrench

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Mike in Ind.

01-29-2007 16:28:25




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Brokenwrench, 01-29-2007 15:06:31  
I don't think they scanned it for any codes, but I could be wrong. I have a long time trusted mechanic that has always treated me right and it was his suggestion to have the dealer reflash the PCM since he couldn't do it. I figured I would have him look at it but he doesn't do much computerized stuff. I have no experiance with any of the transmission repair chains are any of them any good? There are Three GM dealers near by and I know two of them aren't trustworthy and the other is expensive. Any places I should try? Places I should stay away from? Mike.

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joe-etx

01-29-2007 16:41:26




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 16:28:25  
have you added any accsories or done any work to truck step bars? or something. a faulty ground will mess up readings to computer. if worked good before up grade accsorie and faulty after would look for wires there
joe



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Butcher

01-29-2007 14:56:56




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 Re: OT- 2000 Chevy Truck Trans. (Brokenwrench can in reply to Mike in Ind., 01-29-2007 14:19:16  
Friend of mine just got a factory rebuilt for $1800. Had a pretty nice warantee too.



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