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Raleigh Boulwar

01-23-2007 17:31:49

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How much does a Massey 1135 weigh? I have been told conflicting storys one tells me between 8000 and 9000. then tractor data says 13600!!!

Does anyone really know how much this machine weigh?? with out a cab!!!

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RodInNS

01-24-2007 07:29:10

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh Boulware, 01-23-2007 17:31:49

The book of test's I've got from Nebraska (Farm Tractors 1975-1995) lists it's successor (2705) as being 12595 # as tested. What it's dry weight is, I dunno. That is with a cab, and probably carrying some ballast. For what it's worth...

Rod

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massey333

01-24-2007 07:37:09

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to RodInNS, 01-24-2007 07:29:10

9680 lbs.dry,no cab Shipping Wt.

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Raleigh

01-24-2007 07:53:08

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to massey333, 01-24-2007 07:37:09

Now thats the lightest I have read thus far..

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cannonball

01-24-2007 06:52:18

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh Boulware, 01-23-2007 17:31:49

hotline farm equipment ...11,600 pounds at 120.8 hp

MAY GOD BLESS THE USA

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Raleigh

01-23-2007 21:15:35

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh Boulware, 01-23-2007 17:31:49

I have been looking at this massey 1135 and I tell you its a slick looking machine! But I just can't deal with anything ov 9000 lbs. I know where to get a John Deere 5020 for REAL CHEAP!!! and it seems pretty good too. I was just hopeing the Massey 1135 weighed as much as a 4020 and put out 125 hp. I can get one of these here local too.

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Rick Kr

01-23-2007 20:36:13

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh Boulware, 01-23-2007 17:31:49

Raleigh,

You mention green paint everywhere. Around here we call that a "liquid overhaul". Doesn't matter what make.

My three work tractors I purchased all used, and all original paint, dents and all. It was way more important to me to see how the tractor functions and where the leaks ARE at. Most used tractors I see leak at least a little. Rather know what seals I have to fix versus having to scrape three layers of cheap paint off. A few trips down my narrow tree rows would break in a new paint job anyway.

Just my thoughts,
Rick

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gemsvc

01-23-2007 19:44:40

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh Boulware, 01-23-2007 17:31:49

I can't say for sure, but it will be closer to 13,600 than it is to 9,000. If you are considering the Massey instead of the 4020, you'll get a lot more tractor for your dollar with the Massey. The 1135 is around 125hp compared to 90hp with the 4020. A better comparison would be a Massey 1100 @ 94hp. I love 4020's, but if it was my money I'd look for a MF1100. Maybe harder to find, but you'll save money and have a better tractor.

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edchainsaw

01-23-2007 20:40:52

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to gemsvc, 01-23-2007 19:44:40

I've been the owner of all 3 of these models of tractor.

I aint so sure the 1100 is a better tractor.. we never had that kinda luck. and the 1135 was more powerful but again there were issues.

what we were sure of if you wanted the better handling tractor buy the JD
hydralic system buy the JD
most power buy the 1135

I grew up driving them all!

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gemsvc

01-23-2007 21:04:44

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to edchainsaw, 01-23-2007 20:40:52

I haven't had any dealings with the 1135, but the 1100 we have has been the the most trouble-free tractor we've ever had. It was bought used as a temporary replacement during hay season while the JD4240 got a rebuild (quadrange). The 4240 is in the shed, the 1100 works every day. Don't get me wrong, The 4240 was our primary tillage tractor when we were growing beans and wheat and I don't think JD will ever build another 110hp tractor that will last like this one did (25,000 hrs, 2 in-frames, 2 transmissions, original clutch!) I can't agree on the hydraulics, the closed center system with external lift cylinders on the 3pt of the Massey have yet to give any trouble after 15 years, wish I could say the same about the 4020, 4230, and 4240. I grew up in the 70's-80's operating and repairing most brands (all in the 90-120 hp range) and made a living for 15 years repairing them and I've yet to see the inside of any Massey. I guess ours was built on a wednesday...

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Raleigh

01-23-2007 21:11:54

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to gemsvc, 01-23-2007 21:04:44

Wow you do have quit alot of experiance...what sorts of troubles have you run into with the 4020?

Have you had issues with the tranny or the reare diff?

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gemsvc

01-24-2007 07:02:37

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh, 01-23-2007 21:11:54

There are a lot of people that post on this site that have far more experience than I, and I have learned quite a bit from them. I'll give some background so you'll know where I'm coming from. The area I'm in was dairy country for a long time, and times have been hard for dairy farmers here for decades. One of the first things to get cut during hard times is maintenance. The road to ruin for any 20-40 series JD usually starts with the load control shaft seals, a constant drip here will cause some to switch to a cheaper hyd/trans oil- usually R&O that is not suited for wet brakes... The cheap oil will eventually cause the friction material to fail in the brakes and powershift trans sending debris to the hyd system strainer- causing oil starvation and accelerated wear in the rest of the system. This also limits the lube oil in the trans, resulting in bearing damage and synchroniser wear in the synchro-range models. For most, this occurs over a period of years and won't be noticed until it is too late (when the synchro-range starts jumping out of gear or the powershift begins to slip). At this point, you have major and expensive problems. I am using the JD's as an example, all brands have the potential to end up the same way with poor maintenance. If you are going all out with your inspections (dyno, etc) you may want to consider oil analysis as well. Any good dealer or oil supplier should be able to make that happen for you. By the way, repairing the load control shaft seals can be done for under $300 in most cases... and that figure may be high... The bottom line remains- if you are looking for a perfect 30 year old 90hp tractor with all of the features for a good price, you may be looking for a long time.

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Raleigh boulware

01-24-2007 08:17:09

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to gemsvc, 01-24-2007 07:02:37

The transmision and the reare end are the two area that have always scared me the most on these things! The engine well worse coem to wores i can always do an In Frame my self. IF I DID NOT PAY TOO MUCH TO BEGIN WITH!! But transmision work can be litterally catostrophic! I never knew of a good way to test the transmision except for this going down hill deal. I guess I will make more of an effort to try the next one down hill.

Blow by in the engine is not that big a deal, thats if the tractor is priced right. The problem I have is paying $7500.00, $8,000.00, $9,000.00 and then been told "Oh the engine is fine it just has a little blow by"....Well then if you don't want to dyno and you know it has about half the life left, cut your price $4000.00 to $5000.00 rang and I will consider it. that way I can invest $3500.00 in an over hual by either my self or a good engine shop.

My over all thing is about price, money, investment, and getting your money back when it is time to sale. This is my main reason for avoiding a new JD 6603. I had a JD dealer told me hey, "That 4020 you buy it for 8K today you might in 5 years might be able to get 9k for it or at least your money back. I can't say the same for a new machine."
It just does not make sense to me not do it. It cost almost nothing to do. You have that nice big PTO shaft to connect to, take advantage of it. I tell my self if only used cars had a PTO to connect to think of how many lemons we could avoid.

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Raleigh

01-23-2007 20:19:43

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to gemsvc, 01-23-2007 19:44:40

I tell you the TRUTH they are some expensive tractors these 4020's!!
Another thing PAINT!!! You would not believe how a paint job jacks the price of these things up!!!
I have run into more 4020's with clumps of mud with green paint on them!! I mean they paint EVERYTHING!!! I mean come on everthing was not green on these tractors!!! But then mention Dyno???? sheeeee eeeee et then thats when they start comin up with excuses!!!
The one up in North dakota was told to be a very good running machine....Uhh Oh..but the dyno is broke now!! Now that I am ready to go up and see it and cut a check...."Hey just take my word for it, it is a good running 4020 just buy the thing"!!! Sheeeee ... paint and decals is one thing but Pure Power and reliabilty is another!!!! I am starting to find that real quick!

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gemsvc

01-23-2007 20:42:30

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh, 01-23-2007 20:19:43

I know what you mean. The 4020 was one of the best tractors ever built, but in the last 10-15 years folks have gotten carried away with the money that they're shelling out for them. There are several models from different brands that compare very favorably with the 4020, and can be had for 1/2 the price in most cases. If I were looking to buy a good used 90 hp tractor, I would avoid any type of dealer. Get a copy of you local Farmer's market bulletin or similar sale paper and go looking. I'd take a one owner tractor off the farm in it's work clothes over a painted lady at a dealer any day. This gives you the opportunity to look around and see what emphasis the owner puts on maintenance and repairs(what kind of shape is his other equipment in?),you can get a pretty good history of the tractor(was it used for tillage, or was it strictly a loader tractor?), and you won't be paying the dealer's markup! Also, no matter where you live, I'll bet you have a neighbor that knows quite a bit about tractors and would probably ride along (wouldn't hurt to buy him lunch...) and give a second opinion. You never know, you might find a good deal and a good friend.

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Raleigh

01-23-2007 21:08:30

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to gemsvc, 01-23-2007 20:42:30

It seems like the individuals have the green paint while a few dealers don't. The only thing I like the dealer for is the ability to run a Dyno test on it. I have learned more and more how this is almost critical! Now if I am going to pay real cheap heck I can skip out on the dyno. But If I am going to pay anything over $6500.00 for a machine I know for certain I want a good 10 to 20 minute run on the dyno. Other than that, buying from an individual is fine. In fact I ran across a few which don't mind running their tractor to the dealer and having it dynoed!!

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gemsvc

01-23-2007 21:31:36

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh, 01-23-2007 21:08:30

That's one reason to try and carry an experienced neighbor (farmer or mechanic) with you. Dyno's are wonderful, but I wouldn't let the inability to hook up to one be a deal breaker if I believed the powertrain to be sound. A good tune-up can do wonders. Also, remember that you are looking at machines that are 30+ years old. There are no real guarantees on a tractor that old. Also, you won't have to go far beyond $10,000 before you can find something much newer. In the end, your personal preferences and budget will be the deciding factors. And besides... if you find the perfect tractor with no faults, what will you do with yourself during the long winter months? A tractor that doesn't need work... Where's the fun in that? As for me, if I can't pay too much and spend more on repairs than its worth I don't need it! (But honey, we can't afford to sell it, I'd never get my money out of it!) Gotta go!

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John - Central NY

01-23-2007 19:12:38

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh Boulware, 01-23-2007 17:31:49

An 1135 in field dress can weigh in at 12000-14000 or more.

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Raleigh

01-23-2007 19:31:23

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to John - Central NY, 01-23-2007 19:12:38

Yeah...thats what I figured.

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Peabo

01-23-2007 17:50:20

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh Boulware, 01-23-2007 17:31:49

Hey man, really non of my business and but how did the 4020 with the head off work out? Just curious, I hope you find yourself a good deal. Good luck!!

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Raleigh

01-23-2007 18:19:23

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Peabo, 01-23-2007 17:50:20

Well they are susposed to be putting it back together now, or have already done so. But, the price is going to be 1000.00 bucks more. They seem to be doing a little hemmin and hawin over doing a Dyno test now. They can't say when they can get their Dyno fixed....
I posted pictures of this engine with the head off. Did you get a chance to have a look? I don't know if you could tell much from the photos, but they are there...

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Peabo

01-23-2007 19:08:41

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Raleigh, 01-23-2007 18:19:23

I saw the pics when you posted em, but I am not qualified to give any meaningful advice when it comes to that sorta thing... but I can tell you i think i would walk on down the road and leave that particular tractor where it sets if it were me.

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Raleigh

01-23-2007 19:29:50

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Re: Massey 1135 in reply to Peabo, 01-23-2007 19:08:41

Well I think I am...
There are basicly seven things I have to have....
Diff lock....
Syncro shift...
Diesel....
Good mechanical functionality....
A good Dyno reading....
A good price....
A good location to see it and ship it....
You would not beleive how tough it is to find a 4020 with all the catagories.

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