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Dale B

01-22-2007 16:21:19




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My friend says that hybrid seed corn has a gene in it that kills the seed it grows, so you can't save any to grow next years crop. I thought I understood they would inspect your field or identify with DNA what you are growing , and if it is their breed , they would sue you if you didn't have a receipt for that quantity of seed bought from them. Whats the correct story ????




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Gerald J.

01-22-2007 21:40:29




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 Re: Seed Corn in reply to Dale B, 01-22-2007 16:21:19  
Hybrid corn is a lot like a mule. It reproduces poorly. It will grow, at least the downed ears do for me, but they don't polinate much on the ears. One year I found maybe two dozen kernels per nubbin ear. Last year I found no kernels polinated. So I don't bother to get the RR corn out of my RR beans, the only cost is nutrients, not polluting the bean harvest with corn which the elevator would dock for if the amount of corn was excessive.

Gerald J.

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edchainsaw

01-22-2007 19:39:52




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 Re: Seed Corn in reply to Dale B, 01-22-2007 16:21:19  
There is work on a Terminator Gene -- in soybeans I have never read any work on it in corn as saving hybred corn has never been great.

The USDA was funding the Terminator Gene however one of the partners in the reasearch--- a southern university pulled out of it. The USDA (why I dont know) feels that the gene would be benificial..

I only see it as a problem--- you have 1 bad year of seed production and your in trouble in the future. the only BENIFIT would be to Monsanto's packet book.

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paul

01-22-2007 18:57:09




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 Re: Seed Corn in reply to Dale B, 01-22-2007 16:21:19  
Hybreds are crossed plants (pollen & silk, very natural process but human beings go around detasseling the corn to make it a very pure process) that produce very high yielding corn. This corn will not carry though the exact same traits tho, it will be all mixed up breeding, and the corn, while natural & normal, will give very unpredicatable & low yielding corn.

Apple trees are kinda the same way, you can't grow an apple tree from the apple seed that will be _anything_ like it's parent.

That is hybred corn.

Some of it is bred to yield real high, some is bred to produce more starch (for ethanol) or more oil (for other uses), and so on. The plant beeding is all natural, but it is very carfully controled so only the right pollen gets on the right silk.

GMO corn (Genetically Modified Corn) has had some scientists insert a few special genes to add some trait that isn't naturally there - like resistance to Roundup, or BT insecticide. This is the stuff some folks really welcome because it makes raising crops cheaper & more stable & less poisonous chemicals used; others are aghast at meddling with genes & want nothing to do with it. The companies selling this type of seed only rent it to you, they don't sell it (just like the agreement you made with Microsoft for Windows XP....) and they will sue you if you try to get away with planting the seeds you harvest. (It wouldn't work with corn anyhow because it's a hybred, but other crops it is a factor).

Then there is the Terminator Gene, which one company worked with for a while. It has the affect your friend is talking about, it is a GMO thing & it only allows the seed you buy to reproduce - seeds grown from that seed will not grow.

It proved to not work very well, was terribly expensive to get to work even poorly, and a lot of govt & people were against the whole idea. Mostly because it just does not work very well, the whole idea was dropped, & it never, ever was placed in any marketed seed. It was only a lab experiment.

So, once the terminology gets figured out, you are right.

Your friend is wrong.

--->Paul

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JMS/MN

01-22-2007 17:13:51




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 Re: Seed Corn in reply to Dale B, 01-22-2007 16:21:19  
You are confusing two things. If you plant corn that was grown with hybrid seed, you will get ears but the yield will be very low. Makes no economic sense. If you plant 'bin run' soybeans that are Roundup Ready, Monsanto MAY come after you- they've done it before- and sue because you violated the purchase agreement when you first bought the RR seed beans- no planting the offspring! Another term for it is 'brown bagging'. ie- farmers used to save seed from purchased seed and planted next year's crop of beans. Pretty good results the first generation- but drops off after that. RR bean fields are detectable from the air- that's how Monsanto found fields/farmers to go after.

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JMS/MN

01-22-2007 17:30:00




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 Re: Seed Corn in reply to JMS/MN, 01-22-2007 17:13:51  
Sorry about the terminology- you are not confusing anything- your friend is confusing you about the subject- which is two different things. Corn hybrids are created by two or more parent crosses, which produce a humongous amount of yield, but their seeds will produce much less. Soybeans are varieties, not hybrids, and the seeds they produce will yield close to what the variety parents yield. Monsanto gets a 'technology fee' of $6 or more per bushel of seed developing soy varieties that tolerate Roundup herbicide, so they protect their investment by requiring growers to sign an agreement not to use that progeny for next year's seed. Will it grow- yes. Has there been talk about developing a 'killer' technology within that seed so it will not grow? Yes. Will they announce that ahead of time????? ????? or will the farmer find out by planting brown bag seed and not see it sprout?

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IaGary

01-22-2007 16:50:50




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 Re: Seed Corn in reply to Dale B, 01-22-2007 16:21:19  
They would more likely have that gene to eliminate volunteer corn in the next years crop.

But I have not heard of that gene before now.

They have genes: To increase ethanol production

Resist pests in the stalk

Resist pests in the roots

Resist drought

Better use nitrogen so less is needed

Higher oil content

And about three types herbicide resistance

But I've never heard of sterile seed.

Gary

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