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9-N with oil in radiator

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Mark Whitmore

01-22-2007 14:21:23




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I'm thinking about buying a 9N. It starts right up, does not smoke but starts running rough when it starts getting warm. It has never been tuned up. My concern is that there is oil in the coolant. I drained the oil and there is no coolant in the oil. There is also no moisture in the exhaust.

Should I worry about the oil in the radiator ?

Mark J. Whitmore, MSGT, USAF (RETIRED)




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BLW

01-26-2007 09:13:11




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 Re: 9-N with oil in radiator in reply to Mark Whitmore, 01-22-2007 14:21:23  
change the head gasket and have the head and block checked for warppage-- not a hard job



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RAB

01-22-2007 14:58:05




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 Re: 9-N with oil in radiator in reply to Mark Whitmore, 01-22-2007 14:21:23  
Yes. Oil can get into the coolant, but often, if it is a pressurised cooling system water will go the other way as well, or instead. Needs investigating. Cooling system may not be pressurising, for instance.

"It has never been tuned up" It could be in need of a lot of TLC in this case.
Regards, RAB



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Ross Pugh(NC)

01-22-2007 14:46:14




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 Re: 9-N with oil in radiator in reply to Mark Whitmore, 01-22-2007 14:21:23  
The oil ye refer to in the coolant. If it is actually oil, it was poured in the radiator by someone, as there is no way oil can go from the engine into the water. If a head gasket is blown exhaust by products can be getting into the coolant system and if oil is bypassing the rings and getting into the cylinders is the only way oil could appear to be getting into the radiator. Oily exhaust fumes.

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Pitch

01-22-2007 16:46:27




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 Re: 9-N with oil in radiator in reply to Ross Pugh(NC), 01-22-2007 14:46:14  
Not trying to hijack the thread, but I have a "49 that the water jacket is full of oil, and I am absolutely positive that noone put oil in the radiator.
This is not a bit of combustion blowby, I drained a full two quarts of oil out and come up with more with every flush.



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Bob

01-22-2007 18:09:34




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 Re: 9-N with oil in radiator in reply to Pitch, 01-22-2007 16:46:27  
I'ver seen you post about that oil-in-the-water problem before.

So, did the crankcase oil go down by 2 quarts, as the cooling system "gained" two quarts of "oil"?

I sure am curious as to what's going on. Since this is a "flathead" engine, there is NO oil passage going anywheres near the cylinder head that could easily leak into the cooling system (OHV engines typically have an oil passage up through the block, matching up with a passage in the head, after passing through the head gasket, and then plumbed into the rocker arm shafts.)

The closest pressurized oil gets to the water jacket is in the cam bearing area, matching up with the main bearing "webs".

If the bottom side of the waterjacket has an unseen crack down into the pressurized oil gallery in the cam bearing area, that would POSSIBLY provide a passage for the oil to get into the water.

Several times, there have been posts on here speculating about that, but I have never seen any information proving conclusively this can and DOES happen.

It would have to be a TINY crack, allowing pressurized oil to leak one way, but little water to leak into the oiling system, under gravity, while the tractor is shut down for long periods.

The other possiblilty is a casting flaw ("porous casting") that provides a passage from the cam bearing (bore) oiling area to the water jacket.

I would think you could pull the head, fill the radiator and engine with water 'til the water level in the water jacket is near level with the head gasket surface, and then pressurize the oiling system with shop air through the port at the rear of the block where the brass fitting adapter for the oil gauge and filter screws in.

Any leaks from the oiling system to the cooling system should show up as bubbles rising in the coolant, over the leak.

Only problem is, could it be REALLY freaky, and only leak when the block is warm???

Please post back, if you figure anything out!

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Mark Whitmore

01-23-2007 14:26:21




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 Re: 9-N with oil in radiator in reply to Bob, 01-22-2007 18:09:34  
The tractor is for sale and I"m trying to scrape together the money. I pulled the radiator cap and added antifreeze. There was a few black droplets showing in the top. I started it up and ran it for about 10 minutes. Checked the radiator a few days later and the whole surface showing under the cap was black. Dunked a paper towel in the hole a few times and got it back to just a few black droplets. I changed the oil and there was no coolant in the oil.

I doubt that the cooling system is pressurized - the cap had a very weak spring. The real bottom line question is - is this going to hurt anything or turn into a money pit. Can just run it like this, or will I end up rebuilding it.

...MJW

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