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Welding Leaf Springs

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in-too-deep

01-11-2007 19:20:36




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I've got 2 or 3 broken leaf springs on the left front of my IH truck. Would welding them work or would it ruin them or would they just break again? I'm going out on a limb here. I'm not one to take the easy way out, I know should find replacements, but, any advice is appreciated. Thanks a million.




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in-too-deep

01-12-2007 20:47:48




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
Thanks for the comments folks. I won't be welding my leaf springs : ) It's the least of my worries right now anyway. I appreciate your advice.



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Brian in MO

01-12-2007 14:42:52




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
Looks like a lot of good advice I would say that a DOT in any state would red tag your truck if they saw a welded leaf spring, I wouldn't take that chance like was said, then the truck has to be towed and proof of repairs must be shown before it is legal on the highway again.



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Stumpalump

01-12-2007 07:27:15




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
You can weld them and you can also hammer arch back in them. I knew a guy who hammered a 3" lift on an old flat fender jeep. It will crack again at some point. To do it better you either need a spring shop to cut you leafs for both sides or get a similar set of leafs from a junk yard and replace the same leafs on both sides. Spring pacs are easy to play around with. You can swap around leafs all kind of ways. Measure width and just get close on thickness and length. But do both sides the same. The longer leafs are for the first few inches of travel and the shorter ones are for heavy loads and big bumps if you want to customize a little.

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nballen

01-12-2007 06:57:28




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
I imagine you could find a reputable welding shop in your area that makes leaf springs. Always worth askin' about, at least.

Nathaniel



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Tim Brake

01-12-2007 06:09:43




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
Do a search for "Detroit Eaton Springs" They build leaf and coil springs right here in the USA. If they can't help you know one can.



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Oldmax

01-12-2007 04:46:54




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
The only place you chould weld a spring is on a plow point . They will break if welded will change temper on welded area of spring .



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RodInNS

01-12-2007 04:06:15




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
Actually, those springs were already buggered before they actually broke. They lost their "arc" before they broke. Breaking was just the last straw from the last overload.
Replace them. Not one. All of them in that bank, the u-bolts, the bushings, and the shackles if need be. Do the other side too if you can afford to, because they're not far behind....
Springs are not something you want to muck with. I can't really see even replacing the broken plies, or installing used plies because the cost of the U-bolts and the labor is too great to go back and do this again in a week. A set of plies is probably no more than two hundred.... HTH.

Rod

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Steve Crum

01-11-2007 21:32:22




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
In Pa. the welded spring will cause immediate failure on state inspection. If your caught on the road with a welded spring, the vehicle will be red tagged and have to be hauled in for repairs (and payment of fines and proof that the vehicle was repaired or taken out of service).
Save yourself a lot of headaches, just spend some money and replace the spring(s).



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old

01-11-2007 20:50:24




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
If you weld them along the brake they will brake fast. Now if you can weld another spring to them they will last a long time but you have to weld them along the spring but NEVER across the spring BTDT more then once. In the long run your better off to replace the broken one. Shoot what are you working on I might have what you need on hand since I have 3 or 4 IH trucks on the place that are junk

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paul

01-11-2007 20:37:01




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
Some folks do, but really it doesn't work out in the long run, unless this spring really was way over built or something. It will either bend because it's soft, or the weld area will snap right off - soon.

--->Paul



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oldart

01-11-2007 20:11:27




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
take the spring out and go to spring co and have it repaired they will make what you want and beef up if you want that just like new get new hold down bolts and nuts so you can get it tight to the axel lookat the outher one it may have cracked ones in it. your not paying labor to remove and replace them.



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Iagary

01-11-2007 19:49:20




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
It will either make them soft and bend or they will break again next to the weld.

Don't do it.

Gary



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las vegas

01-11-2007 19:48:49




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to in-too-deep, 01-11-2007 19:20:36  
they'll just crack next to the weld and/or just take the spring steel temper out of it, and cause the spring to bend right on around and break off when exposed to jolts.



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IaGary

01-11-2007 19:51:10




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to las vegas, 01-11-2007 19:48:49  
Hey is there an echo in here.

We both posted at the same time.

LOL Gary



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las vegas

01-11-2007 20:28:20




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 Re: Welding Leaf Springs in reply to IaGary, 01-11-2007 19:51:10  
LOL IA gary,

yeah apparently this is an omen to this gentleman that he SHOULDN'T, REALLY SHOULDN'T ... weld his springs

LOL



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