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Doing an In frame job on Engine

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Raleigh

01-10-2007 19:18:29




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I just got my two videos I ordered on here "Rebuilding 4020 Engines" and " Tuning up 4020 engines" and I love them both they were really great. They did not get into an in frame job. I here it is where you are able to do an Over haul without removing the block. From what I understand it involves rmeoving the head and getting it serviced and keeping the block and the crank on the Tractor. Remove the pistons and cylinder sleeves and replace them with new ones.
So basicly if you pull the pan and caliper the Crank jurnals and see that they are good. You can do this overhaul with out removeing the engine.....Correct???
How much does it usually run to do a major inframe on a 4020?

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Leland

01-11-2007 09:45:51




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Raleigh, 01-10-2007 19:18:29  
I have helped do dozens of tractors this way with out and problems even slid in new bearings snap on has a nifty little tool to replace bearings .



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Mike M

01-11-2007 09:22:13




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Raleigh, 01-10-2007 19:18:29  
I worked at a Deere dealer in the parts dept. for a few years and I do not recall any done out of frame. Deere was running a special on the engine kits and they put alot of them in using the inframe method. I guess alot depends on the service history and maintenance of the tractor.



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msb

01-11-2007 09:05:11




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Raleigh, 01-10-2007 19:18:29  
To do an in frame overhaul right the tractor has be split so the real main seal can be replaced.It doesn't take that much more work to pull the block(16 bolts) ,so I take the block out,turn it upside down and power wash it.If that is not done then there is always some dirt and crud that never gets removed from the block no matter how hard you try.



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TomTX

01-11-2007 06:56:22




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Raleigh, 01-10-2007 19:18:29  
An in-frame might be appropriate when you have owned the tractor since new or for many years and know when the seals, clutch, throw out bearing, etc, etc. were serviced and HOW they were serviced. When you buy a used tractor and plan an in-frame, you are "trying to wash your feet with your boots on" IMHO. Tom



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Aaron Ford

01-11-2007 06:35:24




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Raleigh, 01-10-2007 19:18:29  
Remember, you can change your mind if you tear down to the crank, mike it and find it to be bad as well. Proceed as you would with an in-frame rebuild, then if you find the crank needs ground, pull the front end and block.

You can't order bearings til ya know what ya got anyhow.


My crank needed 10/10 cut. I pulled out aftermarket rod bearings and factory crank bearings. Wish I knew more history on this machine.

Let's go Mountaineers,

Aaron

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Raleigh..

01-11-2007 07:11:27




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Aaron Ford, 01-11-2007 06:35:24  
Go Mountianers?? Oh Boy I went to Ga Tech...Boy we were TERRIBLE!!!



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mjbrown

01-11-2007 04:33:54




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Raleigh, 01-10-2007 19:18:29  
Doesn't Deere have a program where you swap out your engine for a fresh one from the factory?



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Raleigh

01-10-2007 22:42:08




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Raleigh, 01-10-2007 19:18:29  
Yeah it would seem to me to just pull the motor, If I did I would get a NEW Clutch Both new throw out bearings and everything I could replace inside that bell houseing..



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Jay Pence

01-10-2007 20:06:47




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Raleigh, 01-10-2007 19:18:29  
In frames are easy and fast. Make a decesion on a tractor and use it. The tractor will let you know what it needs. 4020's are a great tractor and hold the market. Find one you like and fix what needs fixing and then you will know what you have!!!! But as for in frames yes your throw out bearing could be bad if you don't grease that thing. seals tend to leak to but the guy who replaces the clutch and throw out bearing didn't bother to do the hydraulic coupler bushings or the front seal. SO In closing look at it for what it is not what it might be.

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marlowe

01-10-2007 19:42:48




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Raleigh, 01-10-2007 19:18:29  
do it right PULL the engine just to hard to keep things clean nad with a in frame you can't do the rear main seal and you should mike the crank and you will not get good reading on the mains in frame



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37 chief

01-10-2007 19:39:32




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 Re: Doing an In frame job on Engine in reply to Raleigh, 01-10-2007 19:18:29  
I think this is done on a regular basis, maybe to get a tractor right back to work. I was thinking of doing this on my JD 401 industrial. It is a four cylinder. Idecided to take the engine out. I am glad I did. I had a bad crank, and the block needed new maincaps, and line bore, as the mains spun in the block. You will be unable to change the rear main seal if it is one piece. Plus as soon as you get it back together and running you will discover the clutch throw out brearing is bad. I don't want to rain on your parade, but If I were you I would take the time and take the engine out. Stan

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