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3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War

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Robert Searcy

01-08-2007 09:11:34




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Here is your chance to Speak Up!!! I am asking for help in figuring out what to buy.

You all turned me onto the 30 series JDs after steering me away from the 620/630 due to the hand clutch and using a loader.

I know nothing of green paint other then the old poppers.

How do the 30 series tractors compare with the 560D Farmall or the D19 Allis in reliability, usability.

What kind of engines do the 30 series have?

Are they easy on fuel like a 560D?

Would they work well for a loader tractor for moving 1500 to 2000 bales around?

Would they handle a 7' brush hog okay?

Do they have any inherient mechanical problems such as engine or trannie issues to watch out for?

Do they have good power steering/hydraulics?

Thanks in advance for your input,

Robert

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jwal10

01-08-2007 19:49:34




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
How about the 2030.Nice hydrolics, lower center of gravity, Excellent steering. diesel,We used a 2020 then a 2030 with same loader,7' bucket, Roll bar, canopy,rear 16.9x30 front 10.00x16 10 ply multirib tires, 3 sets of weights,1000 hours a year spraying, loading mint roots with manure teeth.roller harrow, loading mint straw, feeding bales 1 front 1 rear, loading bales,everthing needing a loader.8000 hrs.Would have to put a $12.00 bushing in steering every 2 years. 2 hour job.Other than that excellent tractor.

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Kklobru

01-08-2007 19:49:31




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
Between the 3020 and the 560, I"d go the 3020. The hydro on a 560 isn"t as good as the 3020. And fuel consumpion isn"t even close. The 3020 beats 560 hands down. I don"t know much about the others mentioned, but between the 2, 3020!!!



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Kklobru

01-08-2007 19:20:52




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
Between the 3020 and the 560, I"d go the 3020. The hydro on a 560 isn"t as good as the 3020. And fuel consumpion isn"t even close. The 3020 beats 560 hands down. I don"t know much about the others mentioned, but between the 2, 3020!!!



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R.J.

01-08-2007 18:21:33




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
I have a MF285 with water in rear wheels handles 2000 lb bales with ease, never ran any of the others so can`t comment, but the old Marrey does a good job for me.

RJ



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R.J.

01-08-2007 18:19:33




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
I have a MF285 with water in rear wheels handles 2000 lb bales with ease, never ran any of the others so can`t comment, but the old Marrey does a good job for me.

RJ



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Brian in MO

01-08-2007 17:14:34




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
A 3020/3010 are both very good tractors I can't deny that however for the price of one of those there are alot of other choices. You could almost own two of some others for the same price (I said almost) the Olivers 1600/1655 on up, the Allis 180-190, IH 656,706,756 etc. All of these tractors are reasonable on fuel if they are diesel, but if you only use them 100 hrs or less a year the gas to diesel savings may not be worth the cost difference 200 gal of fuel($400) would take several years to make up the difference. Really just depends on what you want and can afford. Just my 2 cents. BTW I have a 756d with a loader and it works quite well with big bales. Brian

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HA in Oh

01-08-2007 16:41:31




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
3020. I have a '64 snc range w/ 48 loader. It's a wide frnt w/ 15/38's on rear,loaded no wieght. Excelent loader tractor, never run out of hydrolics, handels 1500 to 2000lbs bales, one on front one on back. Very hard working tractor, runs cheap 2-3 gal per hour. Loader comes off easy. You will be very happy with a 3020, next to the 4020 they are the best tractor ever made.



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Hard Knocks

01-09-2007 04:27:24




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to HA in Oh, 01-08-2007 16:41:31  
I have a 35HP Zetor 3520 that handles 1500lb round bales Actually a Long 910 (8011 Zetor) is a way more advanced tractor and will burn less fuel than any mentioned around 75HP on the PTO
16 forward 8 reverses and a high/low that shifts as smooth as any automobile atuomatic trans.Also has 1000 and 540 PTO



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Robert Searcy

01-08-2007 15:47:35




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
Keep The Info coming I am still researching and still have the $$$ in my pocket.

Seems like the 3010/3020 are okay, D19 okay.

Not too much regarding the 560 Diesels, are they bad?

I have to look into these masseys as well tonight and see what they are all about for sure.

I kinda like the looks of those olivers, are they hard to find/get parts for? Do they have their own diesels or cummins or someone elses?

I have one old green paint tractor but its a popper with no hydraulics to speak of, no power steering, no live power etc.....

This is exciting now that I have permission to spend money on one -

you guys are great!!! tell me more.....

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krm

01-08-2007 15:45:10




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
I had a 3020 gasser with PS for a few years,really
nice tractor to operate but used a lot ot fuel.



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marlowe

01-08-2007 15:11:17




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
you have over looked some of the best in class MF-1085 MF-1080 or 1100 oliver 1755 or 1855 and some minns and some fords . don't under stand what the love for that over priced green paint is all about last three tractor in the shop were JD for leaking o rings on the sleaves what a pis& poor set up. in 30 plus years of working on tractors i see the green NO better then any other just cost more to buy and fix. fix they are taken care of like they call for all will serve well ALL makes have there dogs. a 3020 is a fine tractor but others are just as good or better

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Bob

01-08-2007 12:15:46




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
The 3020 engine is a 4-cylinder, basically a 4020 engine with 2 cylinders lopped off.

The 3020 diesels have a complicated, and expensive to repair (IF it ever gives trouble) counterbalance system not found in the 6-cylinder engines.

The 3020's are a darned good tractor, with closed-center hydraulics and GOOD power steering.

My guess is that the green ones will be a little thirstier than the red ones.

I fixed some hydraulic pump leaks on this one, a gasser powershift, for a customer, and now have it together except the fuel tank (which is being cleaned and sealed), and the hood.

I posted this picture of the 7-y-o helping a few days ago.

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Rich Va

01-08-2007 11:57:51




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
Go with the Deere.



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John (MO)

01-08-2007 11:38:43




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
The Allis D-19 will cost you much less to buy, much less to run and much less for parts than those green tractors.

Check the Nebraska tractor test results for hp and fuel burn.

You do want to make sure someone hasn`t abused an AC by grinding her into gear or trying to shift with the power director clutch. If they haven't messed up the transmission and she don`t jump out of gear, you`ll have a good tractor for $5000 less that a JD 3020 or 3010.

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Gerald J.

01-08-2007 15:05:39




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to John (MO), 01-08-2007 11:38:43  
The d19 is a class larger tractor than the 3020. But while shopping a few years ago for 3010, 3020, 4010, or 4020, I found several dozen 4020 and only one each D19 and 190XT. If you work it the AC will need transmission work even according to some reports if its been treated perfectly all its life.

The D19 is closer to a 4020 than a 3020.

You may find a 4020 for nearly the same price as a 3020, if its serial number is before 203,000. After that the side console brings an increased price.

Gerald J.

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Doug in IL

01-08-2007 19:46:40




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Gerald J., 01-08-2007 15:05:39  
D19 gas=PTO HP 71.54 3020 gas=70.66 PTO HP D19 Diesel=66.92 PTO HP 3020 Diesel=71.26 PTO HP. D19 gas shipping weight=6175 lbs. 3020 gas shipping weight=7418 lbs. D19 is a long way from a 4020. A D19 would be a good tractor for your proposed use, however. As would a 3020.



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ex farmall guy

01-08-2007 11:04:13




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
stick with the john deere's. they are solid-stable and still john deere. you can always get parts and service for them.



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ex farmall guy

01-08-2007 10:42:44




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
stick with the john deere's. they are solid-stable and still john deere. you can always get parts and service for them.



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Allan In NE

01-08-2007 10:28:09




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
Robert,

Don't count out the 620 or older John Deeres.

The only people that bellyache about the hand clutch being awkward with a loader is the guy who has never owned one.

They work just fine under a loader. Stouter than most, I’d say.

Allan



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Dr.EVIL

01-08-2007 13:43:27




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Allan In NE, 01-08-2007 10:28:09  
ALLEN - I've spent a LOT of time on those miserable devil tractors.....thousands of hours in fact....and if You have at least THREE right hands/arms I can imagine being able to run a loader on one. I've never had the misfortune to run one....only ONE person in the whole township was foolish enough to mount a loader on His jd A and He didn't keep it mounted for long. Everybody else used an Allis, or IHC, couple used the little #N Fords. Granted the 3020 has a good hyd. system and good P/S but You could buy a D-19 AND a 706 for about what 3020-D's sell for. And You can get ANY part You want for either the orange or red tractors.

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Bob seND

01-08-2007 22:18:58




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Dr.EVIL, 01-08-2007 13:43:27  
Dr. Evil, I have to disagree with you. Over the last 35 years, I've had loaders on a JD A, 620, and 70. I've also had a 4430 with loader. The newer one is obviously in a different class altogether, but all of the others worked just fine. The A is less than ideal with no power steering and no live pto,though I didn't know better back then, but the 620 with narrow front end was a wonderful loader tractor. The 70 would have been as well if it had live PTO. The hand clutch was never a problem and the narrow front ends are extemely maneuverable.
Bob seND

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Allan In NE

01-08-2007 14:39:34




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Dr.EVIL, 01-08-2007 13:43:27  
Aw you guys,

Your right toe will run that clutch like nobody's business if ya spend a little time on 'em.

Just don't see what all the calmorin' is about.

They make one heck of a nice loader tractor because of all that rear end weight they have.

Shoot, I thought the old things were kinda fun. :>)

Allan



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JMS/MN

01-08-2007 11:41:14




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Allan In NE, 01-08-2007 10:28:09  
????? ????Yes- it's really fun slamming gears within that miserable box! Compare that to my 3020 Power Shift with loader or my 1950 WD reversed loader! Either one will run circles around a two-banger.



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Hard Knocks

01-08-2007 09:58:47




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
The D19 will out work the others on less fuel.
Also the run-in-oil hand clutch is nice when easing a loader around.Deere will almost always burn more fuel than anything else its HP rating.



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jeremy in NE

01-08-2007 09:45:39




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
I cannot say anything about the other colors, but we have had great luck with our 3020. As far as fuel consumption, we ran it for 14 hours straight plowing and discing before it ran out of fuel about 50 feet from fuel barrel. the later models are nicer with the hydraulics by the seat, but they are more money. As far as a loader tractor it worked great.



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PJBROWN

01-08-2007 09:16:46




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 Re: 3020 - 3010 - 560 - D19 = Paint War in reply to Robert Searcy, 01-08-2007 09:11:34  
Go with the 3020 over the others. Just for the simple fact that parts can still be gotten fairly easy. Plus the 3020 will have a higher resale value.... They are not worth more for nothen...there is a strong demand for them...so that tells you something.



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