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RoySC

12-29-2006 12:10:30




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//Motor Oil Question: What does the oil weight designation really mean? (5W-20, 10W-30, etc.)
The higher the number the thicker the oil??
Whatupwiththis//




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Stumpalump

12-29-2006 12:41:36




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 Re: Motor Oil Question ?? in reply to RoySC, 12-29-2006 12:10:30  
In simpelest terms they take a funnel and if a cup of oil runs thru in 5 seconds its 5 weight if it takes 30 seconds its 30 weight. Multi weight has an additives so 10w30 takes 10 seconds when its cold but is thicker more like 30 when it's hot. Actually the w does not stand for weight it stands for winter. So if it gets real cold it will flow like a thiner oil would.
Thats as much as I can comprehend. Oh and just run Rottella 15W40 in everthing year round and mobile one 15w50 synthetic in all air cooled small engines. Please recycle.

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Dean Barker

12-29-2006 14:21:24




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 Re: Motor Oil Question ?? in reply to Stumpalump, 12-29-2006 12:41:36  
That is an excellent way to explain the weight of motor oil, Sumpalump. For the winter designation (W), the test is done around 0 degrees; for the regular the test is done around 200 to 300 degrees (a SAE handbook describes all this). By the way, Stumpalump, I thought that the Mobil 1 15W-50 would be ideal for my Toro lawn mower with the Briggs cast iron 16 HP single cylinder engine. I tried it and it used a lot of oil whereas with straight 30, it uses very little. It doesn't make sense to me.

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Stumpalump

12-29-2006 14:55:31




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 Re: Motor Oil Question ?? in reply to Dean Barker, 12-29-2006 14:21:24  
Thanks Dean, Synthetic has an ability to creep into tight spaces like capilarry action or asmosis. Which is good but if the engine is not real tight you will leak and burn some. Trade off I guess.



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mjbrown

12-29-2006 13:53:56




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 Re: Motor Oil Question ?? in reply to Stumpalump, 12-29-2006 12:41:36  
Rotella T (white jug) or Rotella T synthetic (blue jug)? ;-)



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Shovelman

12-29-2006 14:37:57




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 Re: Motor Oil Question ?? in reply to mjbrown, 12-29-2006 13:53:56  
We use Rotella T (non synthetic) in all our engines. There has been a lot of discussion regarding changes in the additive packages of today's gas engine oils, particularly the additive ZDDP.

We are now using Rotella T 15-40 in our diesels, Rotella T 10-30 in our water-cooled gas engines and Rotella T SAE 30 in our older Detroit 71 series diesels and air cooled gas engines.

Here's some coorespondence I had with the people at Shell. It may be of some interest to you:


----- Original Message ----- From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Rotella Ask Our Expert: Lubricant Properties


Either the Rotella T 10W-30 or 20W would work great in your gas engines.
Thanks again for your loyalty to our products!
Sincerely,
Link
Link > > -----Original Message-----
> Dear MaryCarol,
Thanks for the quick reply and for the detailed explanation as well. I > agree that 15W-40 may be a bit heavy for our winters here in the
would the 10-30 grade or single viscosity (SAE 20) Rotella T be a better
choice?
Over the last 30+ years, I have rebuilt many engines and never had a > cam/follower failure after rebuild..... ...until last year. The > manufacturer (Edelbrock) stood behind it, but now I am wondering if it
in fact their problem. I think it may be time for us to run Rotella in
of our engines. Please let me know if 10-30 Rotella T would be a
choice for our gasoline engines.
Thanks again for your time and consideration.
Best regards,
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:

Dear Scott,

Zinc levels are being lowered on almost all engine oils, but the heavy
duty diesel engine oils, such as the Rotella T, will continue to have
higher levels than the passenger car/gasoline engine oils. The
T 15W-40 meets API SL, SJ, SH and all previous specifications for
gasoline engines. The 15W-40 viscosity is heavier than what is
recommended for most gasoline engines, but if you feel comfortable
it, then there should be no problem. Rotella T 15W-40 is recommended
for and used in many mixed fleet applications. It does have a higher
antiwear level to protect the heavy duty diesel engines and should
you very good performance in this regard. Even though the amount of
particular additive, the ZDDP, is being lowered, the amount of
protection is not changing. It is just being accomplished with
different additive chemistry. For those partial to zinc, the Rotella
products still have the higher levels. Regarding you farm equipment,
you have had good success with your current products, I would not
recommend changing.

Thank you for using our products! If you have any further questions,
please call us at 800 231 6950.


Sincerely,
MaryCarol Boemmel
Lubrication EngineerLink


>Link -----Original Message-----
From: scottgoff277@earthlink.net [mailto:scottgoff277@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 7:09 PM
To: AskOurExpert@rotella.com
Subject: Rotella Ask Our Expert: Lubricant Properties

----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
ROTELLA.com E-mail Form
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NAME Scott Goff
E-MAIL ADDRESS scottgoff277@earthlink.net
SUBJECT Lubricant Properties
COMMENTS
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I am hearing a lot about changes being made to the anti wear packages
lube oils for gasoline engines, especially regarding the reduction of
the
additive ZDDP.

Claims are being made that the new (Energy Conserving) lube oils work
fine
in modern gasoline engines with roller tappets, but older engines with
flat
tappet camshafts are not getting the protection that they require.

Another claim is that diesel lube oils - i.e. Rotella - still has the
additive ZDDP and will protect older gas engines equipped with flat
tappet
cams.

Is there any credence to these claims? We use Rotella in all our
diesels,
would it be wise to run it in all our older gas engines as well?

We have always used a high detergent SAE 30 in our farm's gasoline
tractors,
trucks and air cooled engines with excellent results. In light of all
the
concern regarding ZDDP, should we change to something different?

Any help will be appreciated.

Best regards,

Scott Goff
Sunset Hollow Farm
Bakersville, CT

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Stumpalump

12-29-2006 15:08:48




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 Re: Motor Oil Question ?? in reply to Shovelman, 12-29-2006 14:37:57  
I dont like any synthetic except Mobil 1,Amsoil,Redline and the high end racing synthetics. The rest are only allowed to be called synthetic because of a lawsuit they won.
They are not even close in composition but are man made and allowed to be called synthetic per the law suit. If 15W40 Rottella is too thick for you add a quart or two of the real thin Mobile 1 to thin it out. 5W30 and I think they make one thats thinner. It's OK to mix.

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B-maniac

12-29-2006 21:28:42




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 Re: Motor Oil Question ?? in reply to Stumpalump, 12-29-2006 15:08:48  
What I read in this is that zinc is probably lower cost and as such they will continue to use it in oil NOT reccomended for vehicles with cat converters or o-2 sensors. She says the non-zinc additives for anti-wear are just different chemistry to do the same thing. I didn't hear the word "inferior" and I didn't hear her say "yes,use Rotella with zinc in older gas engines for wear". I'm sure it also has something to do with the shear amount of oil that trucking fleets go through that they know a high priced synthetic just wouldn't cut it especially since they can use the lower priced oil with zinc. Eventually zinc will be taken out just like lead was. Does that mean everything out there with non-roller lifters will be junk in 50,000 miles? I doubt it. They don't design engines around what oil is doing. They design oil around what ALL engines need , not just new ones. Most cam and lifter failures are caused by improper break-in , improper assy. , mis-matched parts and in a lot of cases the idiot behind the wheel. We will just blame the oil though , not the guy who IDLES his '60,s muscle car through a 2 hr. parade on a 95 degree day. Hope you all know it is only splash lubrication on a flat tappet cam lobe. It needs some rpm once in a while for that to happen. That's why break in should be 2000 rpm at least. OIL??

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Shovelman

12-31-2006 07:53:12




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 Re: Motor Oil Question ?? in reply to B-maniac, 12-29-2006 21:28:42  
maniac,

Where did it read that zinc was cheaper and they plan to remove it altogether someday? She stated that Rotella "will continue to have higher levels than passenger car/gasoline engine oils". She also stated that Rotella "does have a higher anti-wear level to protect the heavy duty diesels and should give you good performance in this regard".

If there is no problem with the lowering of ZDDP levels in the newer Energy Conserving oils, why are cam manufacturers such as Crane & Comp now recommending an oil additive as well as assembly lube? Why are regrinders such as Delta Camhaft recommending the use of diesel engine oils with higher levels of ZDDP?

We appreciate your lesson on cam run-in, since I only have about 35 years experience machining and rebuilding gas and diesel engines and I sometimes forget which end of a screwdriver I am supposed to hold.

Like it or not, lube oils are changing and we should stay informed regarding the changes.

Here's an interesting link:

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