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Qucik question about hay wagon stringers?

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Luke S

12-29-2006 06:21:02




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I am building a couple hay racks on some wagon gears I have and I was talking to the man at the lumber yard about getting some 4"x8"x16' treated lumber for the two main frame rails(some call stringers) for the rack. He said he'd have to order them in as he doesn't keep those on hand, but he did have some old stock of 4"x12"x16' treated pine on hand that he'd make me a heck of a deal on. My question is, am I going to be getting too heavy? I have a real good old New Idea gear that is pretty stout, one of those with the channel frame, and the other one is a david bradley that is pretty stout also but not as stout as the N.I. I just don't want to have my tires overloaded and blowing out before I even get a bale on them.

Thanks for any advice, as always.

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RodInNS

12-29-2006 19:54:19




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
Only suggestion I'll make is 3x8x1/4" channel. It's lighter, stronger, and longer lasting. More expensive, yes... but cheaper in the end. Wood is quick and easy to work with if that's the route you want to go, but I prefer steel. FWIW,

Rod



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Bill(Wis)

12-29-2006 19:16:19




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
You should buy implement tires of the correct size. They"ll carry a lot more than truck tires. $50 cheap.



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RodInNS

12-29-2006 20:01:16




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Bill(Wis), 12-29-2006 19:16:19  
Dunno about that. I've run a lot of miles on the 50 buck 11L15's, and changed a lot of flat tires. Got into the 150-200 buck industrial 11L15's and had fewer problems. Went tubeless and had a lot fewer problems. Dry rot was still a problem on the expensive tires. The last number of years most of us around here are running 31-10.50-15 radial truck tires, tubeless, on our wagons. Less dry rot than the heavy expensive industrial tires at about half the price, and probably fewer flats still. Mind you this is on 4 wheel running gears hauling 5-10 tonne loads. From where I stand, the 6 and 8 ply standard impliment tires are best left on the rack at the tire shop.

Rod

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Fluggie in IA

12-29-2006 15:33:30




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
Well, I would use 2- #2 SPF 2x8's and add 1/8" x 6" steel plate between them glued and bolted every 3 feet with 1/2" carriage bolts. This is called a flitch plate and used in housing to support trusses that span across hallways, etc. Since these'll be outside, I'd caulk the top gap with polyurethane caulk to keep out moisture.
This would be the lightest and the strongest and, if you treat the lumber annually as a person should on hay racks, they'll last a very long time.

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Iowa Jim

12-29-2006 12:17:29




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
We laminated three 2x12's together to make the stringers for our 20' hay racks. We laminated them with bolts and high strength glue.

Jim



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Luke S

12-29-2006 10:45:50




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
I think maybe I am just going to use 6"x6"s. He has those for $46. I don't have the time to mess with getting the others ripped and they are gonna be to big otherwise.



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Mike Van

12-29-2006 10:28:48




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
Luke, you can always get 4 2x8"s and bolt them together in pairs for stringers too. If you have 1/2" plywood, rip it into 8" wide and sandwich it between the 2x8"s - That"ll be stronger than a single 4x8.



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Don-Wi

12-29-2006 09:00:54




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
I think I'd rip'm in 1/2 and then have stringers for both. We've got 2 16' wagons here with 4x6's for stringers. the 4x12's would definately be solid, but way too high. If ya ned a little more room to get clearance for the tires just weld some square tubing to the gear where the stringer rides.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Janicholson

12-29-2006 08:27:10




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
The tires should clear the deck by no more than 4" to keep the unit low. I also chime in on the side of ripping them. I would buy both and rip them to the size needed to achieve tire clearance (as long as it was more than 5.5") Putting more wood on it than reasonable just makes it harder to roll by hand. Would you let two big neighbors sit on the wagon while you tries to get it in the shed? Not me. JimN

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Dave from MN

12-29-2006 08:22:58




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
just built 2 -16'ers used 5x6 treated fir post. Was cheaper than oak and I doubt I'll break them. My weak spot is probably the tires. If so I will throw on old 265 E range tires. Easy enough to get them from the father in law.



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kyhayman

12-29-2006 07:18:58




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
I'd sure use them. By being treated pine they are going to be a lot lighter than the 3x10x20 white oak that I use which was normally fresh sawed that week so there is juice still running out of it. Last spring I built a couple out of 4x8x20's for some guys that kept breaking 3x10 runners with really big tobacco. Your're only building 16' wagons anyhow, so even some really light running gears should be ok.

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Luke S

12-29-2006 07:31:48




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to kyhayman, 12-29-2006 07:18:58  
Well, I told you guys wrong. They are 4"x12"x16' untreated oak. Does that change the weight a lot? I can treat them myself. $30 a piece is a good deal.



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Dan hill

12-31-2006 03:46:03




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 07:31:48  
The last treated 4x8x12 I bought were 18.00 each.Most treated lumber I see is hard pine of a low grade.



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JK-NY

12-29-2006 07:06:19




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
Forgot to mention another thing I've done is use some light angle iron on the stringers to span the rear wagon bolster a few feet. This is the light angle iron about 2''x3''wth alot of holes in it , used to hang garage door track . This adds some strength and I have some of this iron around and thought I'd put it to use as its too light to weld on for other projects.



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John S-B

12-29-2006 06:57:24




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
You might ask him what kind of a deal he'll give you on those 4x12's even if you don't end up using them, those aren't common size piece of wood. Might come in handy for something else. I agree that they are overkill for a hay wagon.



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Luke S

12-29-2006 06:52:28




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
I can get these 4"x12"x16's for $30 a piece by the way, because they are old stock. New 4"x8"x16's are $52.90 a piece.



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Luke S

12-29-2006 06:49:57




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
I am spanning about 12'. I just don't want to overload my poor old wagons, they are not these new fancy ones that'll hold 13 round bales, they are near 40 years old.



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Triplerange

12-29-2006 06:42:39




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
I think you'll be fine. Should only be about 400lbs more on the gears. Plus you would definetily add some strength to the middle of the rack.



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Triplerange

12-29-2006 06:42:32




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
I think you'll be fine. Should only be about 400lbs more on the gears. Plus you would definetily add some strength to the middle of the rack.



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RustyFarmall

12-29-2006 06:38:02




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
I think the 4X8 is overkill. I think a 2X8 or 2X10 would be enough. You are probably not spanning the entire 16', there will be overhang at the front and at the rear, so you are probably only spanning about 10' to 12'. You could use doubled up 2X8s to make a 4X8.



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JK-NY

12-29-2006 06:35:38




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 Re: Qucik question about hay wagon stringers? in reply to Luke S, 12-29-2006 06:21:02  
I have used 4x6 treated for stringers , you could buy the 4x12's and cut them in two if the price was right . Another thing I've seen done was use 2-2x6's together on each side. I think 4x12 is a bit more than you'd need, it will make your wagons that much higher, may interfere with bale chute or thrower ?? but would give lots of clearance for tires.



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