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Jim Johnson

12-20-2006 19:43:44




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I read the literature and testimonials that they sent. I can't seem to find anything that convinces me. They talk about trucks with 650,000 and 920,000 on them and that isn't anything to brag about. I had 2,000,000 on my last truck and have about 800,000 on the one I have now. I overhauled the old one once and haven't touched this one yet. I used Rotella in the old truck and switched to Delvac in this one because I haul it. They say you can go 60,000 on an oil change but I think my conscious wouldn't let me do that. And as far as the talk about not needing to grind the crank, we didn't have to. There price comparison was @ 4.50 and 11.30 a gallon and it's a lot higher now I'm sure but in the comparison they didn't allow for the gallon of oil you use in three filter changes. My .02cts. worth. Jim

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RodInNS

12-21-2006 11:34:09




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 Re: LE-Oils, No Tools in reply to Jim Johnson, 12-20-2006 19:43:44  
I can't say that I have any experience with LE products. That said, the sales pitch sounds the same to me as did the LubriLab sales pitch, and I do have experience with their grease, and a couple other products they sell. They've got a whole line of additives for every imaginable oil, penetrants, rust protectants, etc. From my experience, the products are good. They're just not good enough to draw the price they're asking. Last I heard, a tube of grease was around 6 bucks, and a very close equivelant from a major line supplier was less than 2 bucks. I can't honestly say I noticed any difference in the wear rates or failure rates of bearings, bushings, or anything else. Had breakdowns before I used it, while I used it, and after I quit using it. The only difference is that it doesn't cost so much to grease a machine now that I buy it for 2 bucks a tube....
That's not to say there aren't some very poor products out there from the big guys. There are. The LubriLab stuff, and probably the LE stuff would be far superiour to the bottom end stuff from the big guys.... but look around, because the big guys do make higher end stuff too, at a fraction of the cost.....
These salesmen generally prey on peoples superstition, and general lack of knowledge about lubricants, and convince many people to buy the stuff based on all these supposed lower repair costs. In 90 percent of the situatuions, nobody keeps track of maintenance close enough to actually corelate any actual savings or expenses to the lubricants they're using. I have no doubt that there are some clients who do have some benefits from these products, but I doubt that the majority ever will. That's my take on these types of suppliers... take it for what it cost...

Rod

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12-21-2006 04:48:14




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 Re: LE-Oils, No Tools in reply to Jim Johnson, 12-20-2006 19:43:44  
Jim
I have no doubt's that the Le oil's are not good oils.The thing is some of these products are tested in a different feild than where they are used.
Where i work at we have a old habor boat 1968 model that runs 24-7 lot of times it idles between bargdes. its has 400 gallon oil tank they fill it out of bulk truck.it get's delvac''moble''shell''D-a ''any thing they can buy.original cranks in the engines.O yes they have had work on the engines.our dozer some times will run till they stop before they get oil changes.depends on the stop they may not get one then.I think oils is just like bying tires if i have 3-4 bad ones their no good.but you look around an ever body is using that same tire.

Bill

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Leland

12-20-2006 22:59:31




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 Re: LE-Oils, No Tools in reply to Jim Johnson, 12-20-2006 19:43:44  
You can run 60,000 if you send in samples to a lab and have it checked ADM does this with there fleet average oil gets changed around 55,000.



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Gene Davis (Ga)

12-20-2006 21:14:57




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 Re: LE-Oils, No Tools in reply to Jim Johnson, 12-20-2006 19:43:44  
I worked 3 different companies, (buy outs)in the mining industry for 40 years and for a lot of that time was responsible for the daily lube service and oil changing of heavy equipment and industrial machinery. We ran a lot of tests comparing quality, price and life expectancy of oil and lubricants. We found that the Lubrication Engineers products looked very pretty in their beautiful blue with red letter cans and no deposit/no return drums and the red colored product with metallic looking flakes in the makeup of it was very appealing. The results of a lot of testing under severe loads and very gritty/dusty conditions with an absolute muddy mess sometimes track deep on the crawlers and excavators showed us that the COST EFFECTIVENESS of the LE products was way behind the other brands. Their grease did stay in the bearings a little better than most others, Alithicon and Mystik JT series greases stayed almost equal to the LE products at 2-3 times less the price. The extra cost of the LE product meant that you could grease the bearings and buckets of the equipment 3-4 times as often compared to the LE products. Alithicon proved to be the most cost effecient of the greases in the 0 to 120 degree weather we were in. We used an independent testing lab"s spectroscope in conjunction with their electron microscope to identify the metal and non metal particles in the samples also to tell us the wear results and to project the life expectancy left of the oil change interval. The greatest thing LE had going for them was that they had a good salesman with a real good comission on the product he sold. We didn"t use it except when he got to some of the management big wheels and convinced them to buy it. The results in the pit showed it to not be cost effective on a daily basis.

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