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U.S./Canada Border crossing.. How It Is Here

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migraine

12-19-2006 21:44:20




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Responding to the post down below but was getting kind of long so.. the border is very very tight and cameras have been set up all along the border that can spot ANY movement with night vision as well. Everything and everybody goes through the border crossings some of which are open 24 hours, some not. No more laying down the planks and jumping the ditch a minute. They will have you in two minutes or less and no one will know where they took you. This is NW Washington and our little town is 3 miles from the border This is the place where they discovered the tunnel dug under the road from a greenhouse to an old farm house on the U.S side and they must have worked more than a year digging out the dirt and installing plywood sides and roof of tunnel. The four lads are sitting in a very dark place now waiting to hear their fate. we always take our original birth certificates and licenses and must have a parental permission slip if we are carrying the grandchildren. We probably cross the border once a month and you just act calm and only answer the questions you are asked. No more no less. If you are bringing farm machinery across the border you best have all and I mean all dirt, weeds and chemicals removed for inspection. You can bring old tractors and machinery and parts across either way but best have sale bills if you just bought them or have an address if you plan to leave them. I got turned away at the border trying to return some wood pallets for 3 bucks apiece back to Canada because I might be carring some foreign material in the wood or have some preservative or chemical residue on them. No flowers or plants can come across here without Gov't inspection and certificate. We've left more than one bouquet at the border!! Since 911 it is so tight here that you best make sure that the vehicle you are driving has clean plates and your driving record is clean cause when they flash that picture of it in the lineup it will show them everything about you and yours for the last 10 years. sorry i got to rambling what else do you want to know? Migraine

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jdemaris

12-20-2006 12:39:22




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 US-CAN tension - 1866 attack from NY, Nebraska, e in reply to migraine, 12-19-2006 21:44:20  
This is somewhat in response to what Bill of TN stated. I think, to some degree, there has been plenty enough tension between the US and Canada to
stay apart and not entirely trust each other - at least at the government level. Canada sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War - and the Confederacy lost. Shortly
after, there were attacks on border and military posts in Canada - coming from New York State. These attacks went on from 1866 to 1870 - done mostly by a bunch of drunken "Fenian" Irishmen - who were former US military. One of them even built a submarine in New Jersey - but it wasn't used in the Canada attacks. They'd congregate in border-areas of New York, do some serious drinking, grab their guns and then sneak across the St. Lawrence River and attack in the dark. Many in Canada got pretty ticked off - especially since the US president Andrew Johnson was blamed for letting it happen - maybe even helping a bit as "pay back." One of the US heroes who was a Fenian commander - John O'Niell - never got in trouble for it, and later moved to Nebraska where now a place is named after him - i.e. town or city of O'Niell. Here is the US, this isn't taught in history classes - but it has in parts of Canada. My wife got her Master's Degree in Toronto early 80s and heard much about it. There was also a more recent event when a new Canadian prime-minister seized US businesses that were on Canadian soil - with the complaint that the United States was buying up too much of Canada. I can't recall who he was, but it was late 1950s I believe. I wish the US would start doing that now. How much of the US is owned by China, India, Japan, etc.? There's also the legal differences between US and Canada. Canada allows residents to go party with Castro in Cuba. But . . . US residents are not. Because of differences in immigration laws - it's alleged to be easier for terrorists to get into Canada first - and then work their way into the US. Then, you've got the infighting in Canada - historically and now. My g-g-g-g-grandmother is somewhat a hero (heroin?) in some Canadian history books for leading Acadians out of exile from Port Royal - into either Québec or into the Louisiana, U.S. to become "Cajuns." Seems many French people were held in slavery by the Scottish and British - and the enslaved Acadians were often hated by other Canadians for not standing up and fighting. And now in Canada - the English versus the French? Don't know how that's going to turn out. But - I've met many friendly people in English-speaking Canada, and a few unfriendly ones in the French areas. I suspect the latter because I speak pretty bad French - and mine is from France, not French-Canada. Also found out this summer- when my Ford truck broke down in London, Ontario- Canada really is a different country. I couldn't rent a truck and drive home - I wasn't allowed to cross the border. Anyway - I'm not bashing Canada at all. Just mentioning a few things that some U.S. people might not have heard before.

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The Dukester

12-20-2006 06:21:26




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 Re: U.S./Canada Border crossing.. How It Is Here in reply to migraine, 12-19-2006 21:44:20  
Frankly, I'm glad to hear of tight security on some parts of the border at least. If that's what we gotta have to keep the terrorists out of our country..so be it! We've already let far too many dangerous people into this country with our loose immigration policies and lack of tight border security. It's just way too bad we cannot seem to have tight security on the Mexican border and our coastlines...something else is going on there and it will probably really stink if, and when, we ever find everything out about it. If every good American citizen would keep a close eye on what's going on "with the neighbor next door" and feel free to report anything suspicious to the proper authorities that will be a great help too. It's everyone's responsibility to do anything and everything they can to keep our country secure and it certainly looks like it going to take everyone's efforts to do it.

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IaGary

12-20-2006 05:31:51




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 Re: U.S./Canada Border crossing.. How It Is Here in reply to migraine, 12-19-2006 21:44:20  
Thanks Migraine I knew you would know what is going on now.

Since your daughters inlaws are north of the border.

Gary



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Matt H NY

12-20-2006 05:10:17




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 Re: U.S./Canada Border crossing.. How It Is Here in reply to migraine, 12-19-2006 21:44:20  
Hello,

I buy my alfalfa hay from Ontario. The trucker that brings it has never mentioned a problem. And the farmer I buy it from has no problem sending it across. I was just wondering how that works. Due to the fact that it is a plant material.

Thanks,
Matt



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jimont

12-20-2006 10:47:06




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 Re: U.S./Canada Border crossing.. How It Is Here in reply to Matt H NY, 12-20-2006 05:10:17  
Matt - We ship hay to Florida from Ontario and our trucker has pre-arrainged loads and has filled out all the necessary paper-work in order to do so. Evidently, things will tighten up for those who have not registered under the new system.



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TGIN

12-20-2006 04:16:11




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 Re: U.S./Canada Border crossing.. How It Is Here in reply to migraine, 12-19-2006 21:44:20  
If ya cant even crawl on your belly through a standing corn field without getting caught why is it so easy for the mexicans to cross everyday and hold full time jobs ??



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conservative from Iowa

12-20-2006 06:44:57




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 Re: U.S./Canada Border crossing.. How It Is Here in reply to TGIN, 12-20-2006 04:16:11  
Perhaps there is a secret political "deal" with Mexico, whereby the US PRETENDS that it doesn't have a southern border.

It's like with a border fence between two neighbors. If the fence is tight, and neither your cattle nor your neighbor's can get across, all is well and you have cordial relations.

With the southern border, it's like the situation where your neighbor has been throwing trash on your property for YEARS! If you suddenly sit up, take notice and object, the neigbor is miffed and thinks HIS RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED, which is funny since your neighbor NEVER had the right to throw trash on your property.

Perhaps the word trash is too harsh. Say the example was tresspassing slob hunters. They are also unwelcome, but probably would tend to regard YOUR PROPERTY as their private hunting preserve.

The truth is, the USA has "allowed" border crossing violations with Mexican illegally sneaking in, for so long, the only likely way to solve the problem will be to ANNEX MEXICO and make them all registerd voting tax paying US Citizens.

National sovereignty REQUIRES that a country maintain a border. I do not think that it is the US which will ultimately have to "surrender" here, so---unless MEXICO does something itself, to preserve it's own identity and nationality, there IS that strong chance that the "border that is no border unofficially", will become an OFFICIAL former border.

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Dannie

12-20-2006 02:22:35




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 Re: U.S./Canada Border crossing.. How It Is Here in reply to migraine, 12-19-2006 21:44:20  
Not that hard to cross the Southern Borden of the USA



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Bill of TN

12-20-2006 07:34:13




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 Re: U.S./Canada Border crossing.. How It Is Here in reply to Dannie, 12-20-2006 02:22:35  
I find this funny as well.....our neighbors to the north are so much like us in so many ways that we have to keep them out.....(or they want to keep us out, haven't quite figured out which).

Our neighbors to the south, of a different culture, and who speak a different language, we can't welcome them enough even though they are changing our culture.

Here's what James Madison, the "father" of the constitution had to say about the subject while trying to convince the 13 colonies to federalize.

From the 2nd federalist paper:

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"It has often given me pleasure to observe that independent America was not composed of detached and distant territories, but that one connected, fertile, widespreading country was the portion of our western sons of liberty. Providence has in a particular manner blessed it with a variety of soils and productions, and watered it with innumerable streams, for the delight and accommodation of its inhabitants. A succession of navigable waters forms a kind of chain round its borders, as if to bind it together; while the most noble rivers in the world, running at convenient distances, present them with highways for the easy communication of friendly aids, and the mutual transportation and exchange of their various commodities.

With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people--a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.

This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient for a band of brethren, united to each other by the strongest ties, should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous, and alien sovereignties."

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Bill of TN

12-20-2006 08:13:51




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 Re: U.S./Canada Border crossing.. How It Is Here in reply to Bill of TN, 12-20-2006 07:34:13  
Sorry, it was Jay who wrote the second paper....

Hamilton, Jay, and Madison wrote 85 papers in what is still studied today as one of the most effective ways to sell a product.

The 85 papers, know as "The Federalist Papers", describe in some detail how the new government would be setup and run under the constitution as well as the need etc.

Clearly, we don't have what the founding fathers envisioned.....

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