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Grinders revisited

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IaGary

12-17-2006 18:13:26




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The speed of grinding was discussed and all mills are not built the same.

Most don't know this but Gehl hammer mills have twice as many hammers as some models and more than all other models per inch of width on mill.

For that reason they grind faster but also pull harder.

Gary




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pjbrown

12-18-2006 07:56:06




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to IaGary, 12-17-2006 18:13:26  
What can you grind in them?? Can you put hay in them also?? Could you grind all your feed together like a TMR mixer??



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SHeiserman

12-18-2006 08:07:44




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to pjbrown, 12-18-2006 07:56:06  
You can run hay through them, but break it up before you do. I shoved a square of alfalfa hay in, that's not the way to do it. Dammm near killed the tractor, made a terrible noise. Feed it in slow and loose. Otherwise, all I grind is corn. Add the bean meal and pre-mix in the mixing auger at the back of the grinder.



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Erik in WI

12-17-2006 19:36:41




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to IaGary, 12-17-2006 18:13:26  
Gary,
They also blow all the feed through that darn blower and up to the dust collector, which really takes a good chunk of power.

Oh, and don't ever try to grind wet cob corn with a Gehl, as it plugs up the tube comming out of the blower and breaks all the paddles off....


Erik in WI



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IaGary

12-17-2006 19:51:35




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to Erik in WI, 12-17-2006 19:36:41  
On the old models that is correct but anything from the model 95 on the feed does not go thru the dust collector.

Gary



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SHeiserman

12-17-2006 19:10:21




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to IaGary, 12-17-2006 18:13:26  
I've got a separate question for you. Does coarse ground corn raise havoc in little pigs recently weaned? Of 50 feeders, 10 have become sick, 2 died. Vet posted one and diagnosed ileitis. First group of sick ones came out of it, I'm giving Tylan to the second group. Never had any trouble before, this is the first batch I've actually ground feed for. I had just figured I've run enough pigs through, I'm due for some type of disease. I could see where the smaller ones would need a finer grind, but this is the only screen I have.

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IaGary

12-17-2006 19:49:35




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to SHeiserman, 12-17-2006 19:10:21  
I'm no Vet but ileitis is caused by a virus or bacteria.So I wouldn't think the coarseness of the feed would make any difference.

The finer the grind the better the pigs will gain though.

Gary



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SHeiserman

12-18-2006 06:03:42




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to IaGary, 12-17-2006 19:49:35  
Good enough. I did see right after I bought it that the 2 middle hammers are missing on all 4 rows. Have heard from guys who prefer a more coarse grind. I suppose with the absence of different screens, a guy could adjust it that way. I get rid of the feeders at 50 lbs. anyway, so I won't mess with it. The old Case handles it the way it is, and doesn't push the grinder so it seems like a good match that ought to last awhile. I can appreciate all the info here as feed grinders do not get much air time, not even in the implement section. Thanks.

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TP from Central PA

12-17-2006 18:42:31




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to IaGary, 12-17-2006 18:13:26  
I agree on the power part, but I don"t think they grind any fast, I know guys around here with Gehls and they need more tractor I did for my NH or Arts-Way..... ..... ....I had a 357 NH Mill, ran it with a warmed up M-TA and it did everything I wanted it to, and actually worked better with the M-TA than a 706D.

My neighbors have a 125 Gehl and use the same size screeen I did and you couldn"t run that with a smaller tractor if you wanted to, unless you put in one ear of corn at a time..... .100 hp 766 is the limit on the low end and you still can outshovel it if you wanted to from a corn crib. My grandfather has a 95 as well, and its a power sink..... ...takes 80 hp to run it.

I"d never have a Gehl, it be a 357 NH or Arts-Way..... I"ve been known to grind feed with what ever was at the farm where the mill was. We used our "49 JD A more than acouple times when everything else was tied up..... ....Slow, but got "er done.

Out of all the mills I"ve seen and used, if you have a problem with grinding a batch of feed in the least amount of time, get yourself a old big Farmhand Mill(Big models with tandem axles under them) and put a real tractor on the shaft(1256 or something like it)..... ....

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IaGary

12-17-2006 19:34:20




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to TP from Central PA, 12-17-2006 18:42:31  
With more hammers you run a larger screen on the Gehl to get the same size of grind on the grain.

So yes running the same size screen in a Gehl as you would a NH or Artsway would take much more power but grind much finer.

The 9/16s screen on a Gehl will grind finer than a 3/8s in a Artsway.

I know this don't seem right but it is.

Gary



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TP from Central PA

12-18-2006 07:25:57




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to IaGary, 12-17-2006 19:34:20  
All of us use 3/8" screens..... .....Hammer #'s on a Gehl vs the others doesn't make much difference IMO..... ..They both have to put the material though the same screen. Problem with the Gehl is the power, you pull your tractor down with the Gehl and you have more rotating mass to bring back to RPM + you still have material entering the mill to contend with, to overcome that you need all the more hp than the others.

Alot of guys around here swear by Gehls, doesn't bother me a bit..... .I've used Gehls, NH's, and Arts-way(IH) and I personally wouldn't have a gehl unless it was my last option. I am a big fan of Gehl's ag equipment but was never a fan of their grinder/mixers.

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Don-Wi

12-17-2006 21:53:53




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 Re: Grinders revisited in reply to IaGary, 12-17-2006 19:34:20  
ya know, we have one of those old gehls too. We hardly ever use it, but when we do it has the biggest screen we have in it (maybe 1/2" or so) and it'll grind the oats mighty fine. I can't imagine what would happen if we put in the smallest screen, Those holes are much smaller than 1/4", probably more like 1/8 or 3/16. I'm not sure if we have 3 or 4 screens for it in all, most of them just sit in the shed getting rusty.

It sure did pull down our 285 when we would use it here & there though with oats...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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