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Paypal scam/Phishing Attempts

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Howard H.

12-11-2006 20:00:01




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In thinking about Easy1's post about Paypal below - I thought I'd mention a couple of items.

I've been working with computers and networks for 20 years now.

As the IT guy at Panhandle State University, I see a wide range of problems with faculty and staff and students with viruses, malware, Internet scams, etc...

One of the girls in the business office recently got a message proclaiming a "problem with her Ebay account" and asking her to verify her info. She was somewhat aware of that type of phishing scam message, but she had several items about to sell, so she immediately logged into the link to make sure there was no problem.

She said it was "acting funny", so she decided to just check it out later.

Her checking account funding was tied to her Ebay account and the next morning she found out she had been cleaned out by ATM withdrawals in Romania.

She cut the funding ties to Ebay, and luckily the bank reimbursed her all but $50 for the scam. BUT in the midst of it all, she forgot to change her Ebay password.

A few weeks later, she had an item about to sell worth several thousand dollars. Right towards the end of the sale, the auction was changed with the directions for payment changed to someone else.

The scammers had kept her info and waited for a while - and then logged in as her and modified the auction and came fairly close to scamming her twice!

THEN - I had been working out at the farm a couple of weekends ago and come in all dusty and itchy after a long day.

I was headed for a shower after getting home, when I thought I'd check the email right quick.

Lo and behold - I had a big thank you message from "Jetson Electronics" thanking me for my $740 payment!

Thinking the wife or daughter had purchased something I hadn't heard about - I immediately charged for the "check item details" button at the bottom and typed in my paypal userid/password.

This website, too, started "acting funny" - and it took me about 10-20 seconds to realize I had fallen flat into a phishing scam, too!!

I immediately directly typed in www.paypal.com and went there directly - and purposely mis-guessed my password 4-5 times in a row to lock the account.

I then went through the unlock procedure and reset the password to a new one - it rattled me enough, I then removed the links to my funding sources...

Luckily, I didn't lose any money over it, but it really impressed me how easy it is to fall for a scam - even when you are aware of them...

In both cases, we "knew" how a scam works, but they caught us with a plausible sounding pitch in a somewhat emotional state.

The scammers knowing the technical ropes of how to rip someone off is now "old hat". It seems like they are focusing more and more on the "social engineering" aspects of preying on human nature.

So the next time you see a message trying to provoke you - like "Bush or Kerry" or "Coke or Pepsi" or "thank you for adding this email account to your paypal account" or "thank you for your payment", you might think just a second before you click!


Howard H.

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Skyhawk Greg

12-13-2006 11:45:56




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 Re: Paypal scam/Phishing Attempts in reply to Howard H., 12-11-2006 20:00:01  
Howard - Not too long ago, I received one of these phishing e-mails. They said my Paypal account needed updating, and I recognized it as non-legitimate right away. Instead of leaving it alone though, I thought I'd go there and type in a lot of misinformation in hopes that somehow they might get caught when things did not work at Paypal. Not one shred of the information I gave was correct (including user name, password, and so on). My question is, did I put my real Paypal account in jeopardy even though I gave all false information? I have changed my passwords since then to be on the safe side. Thank you. Greg

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Howard H.

12-13-2006 15:48:16




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 Re: Paypal scam/Phishing Attempts in reply to Skyhawk Greg, 12-13-2006 11:45:56  

Hi Skyhawk -

No - you didn't jeopardize anything. It probably just gets their hopes up for a little bit while they try to get it to work - and it might possibly help paypal track down where the errant logins are coming from, but the scammers can't do anything with garbage data.

I've done the same thing, just playing around to see how polished their scam sites are. Most of the time, their links are actually tied back to the real paypal (or ebay or whereever) links, so they actually work. It is only the login that fails - that is because they just grab the data and go - once they have it, they don't care what happens on their site.

Most of the time, the sites are gone within 48 hours or so.

Howard

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Skyhawk Greg

12-14-2006 08:37:01




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 Re: Paypal scam/Phishing Attempts in reply to Howard H., 12-13-2006 15:48:16  
Thank you Howard! I was concerned for a moment there. Greg



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mj

12-12-2006 07:15:29




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 Re: Paypal scam/Phishing Attempts in reply to Howard H., 12-11-2006 20:00:01  
Holy Moly! The same thing happened to me but I DID change my password right away..... ...no resulting problems. Not that I'm so savvy..... .just lucked out I guess!



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IH2444

12-12-2006 05:48:29




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 Re: Paypal scam/Phishing Attempts in reply to Howard H., 12-11-2006 20:00:01  
I keep getting emails wanting me to verify my account info with 5th 3rd bank. I don't do business with 5th 3rd bank....



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JoeBob/in

12-12-2006 05:15:45




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 Re: Paypal scam/Phishing Attempts in reply to Howard H., 12-11-2006 20:00:01  
Number one rule to avoid being taken? NEVER EVER EVER open a secure page that would ask for passwords through a link! Let me repeat that, don't ever use a link to a site where they are asking for your passwords. Shame on you, you should have known better. I get that crap all the time. Just don't let it get you in a frenzy, check the status of your accounts directly from the site itself and you will most likely find no activity, then report it to the site webmaster. Oh, one last thing. Never use a link to open a site that would be asking for user ID's and/or passwords.

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Brad in WI

12-12-2006 02:17:05




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 Re: Paypal scam/Phishing Attempts in reply to Howard H., 12-11-2006 20:00:01  
For all of my email transactions I use paypal with only one credit card that I keep a very close eye on and pay that bill with an account that never has alot of money in it. I am nervous enough about getting scammed and try to be as careful as I can be. The fiance just had an ebay transaction cancelled because the seller had third party interference on his/her side. Makes me feel a little better knowing I may not have gotten scammed this time.

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37 chief

12-11-2006 23:36:40




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 Re: Paypal scam/Phishing Attempts in reply to Howard H., 12-11-2006 20:00:01  
I have also received the same thing from my EBAY account. It looks real. I didn't fall for it. Stan



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