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Can Of Worms, Part 1

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Allan In NE

12-01-2006 15:00:34




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Well now, OUCH!

I knew it was gonna be bad in there, just didn't think it was this bad. :>(

Motors, fans and mounting brackets all gone. Condenser has a tube ripped off. Groan!

I'll wait and see what that evaporator area looks like first, but perhaps it is time to get creative and strap a condenser out in front of that radiator.

Darn!!! My "bargin" tractor just took a nose dive. :>(

Allan

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Glen in TX

12-01-2006 22:22:43




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
Oh yeah not good since you done got the hose kit. If you mount the condenser out front the receiver drier can go anyplace between condenser and expansion valve. JD used those driers on combines horizontal and even under back cab pillar at a angle. Just got to get the right one for the spot and mount at correct angle for the tube inside it. AC places will have the fittings and solder on tubes. Did you try that one in Oklahoma too? If you reuse that condenser flush it out really good. If moisture got in it may not be worth it and corroded or blow out later. We use to have a guy that fixed refrigerators and the dairy coolers and he was good at leak testing a condenser or evaportor and repairing them. No applicance repair places around like that anymore. Any good parts place can make AC hose and maybe modify the hoses you got if you can't return them.

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Allan In NE

12-02-2006 01:04:49




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Glen in TX, 12-01-2006 22:22:43  
The whole darned repair is gonna turn on wheather I can sweat that male fitting back on this condenser.

$3 one way, $300 condenser with a hose headache the other. :>(

Allan



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Glen in TX

12-02-2006 07:21:13




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-02-2006 01:04:49  
Yeah can't find those old appliance repairmen cheap anymore unless you know a retired one doing that still on the side some. Guys in town now days just want to sell you a new one of everything huh? lol. The old heli arc guy use to fix the aluminum ones for me for $10-$15 a pop but no more...



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Steven@AZ from ND

12-01-2006 17:39:45




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
I would put the condenser and drier out in front of the radiator like the 86 series and be done with all that extra up there.

Whatever you do, be sure to install a new drier! Those should be replaced any time the AC system is opened up, I believe...



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Allan In NE

12-02-2006 01:58:46




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Steven@AZ from ND, 12-01-2006 17:39:45  
Yes Sir,

I'll take it loose and give it a shake.

If it sounds like it is about full of stray and homeless iron, I'll replace the rascal. :>)

Allan



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Chris(WA)

12-01-2006 17:18:38




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
Not to mention how much dirt is inside that condenser. From the pile next to the reciever/dehydrator and that fitting sticking straight up I would bet a BUNCH! Might be money ahead to just junk it all and start fresh. A/C systems can be real touchy about dirt!



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oldcraneguy

12-01-2006 15:50:17




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
I never soldered any aluminum tubes but patched one once with epoxy and a piece of split in half tubing that held for 7-8 months then ended up using compression fittings and copper tubing, that held for long time till I sold the motorhome that the ac was on, just a thought...
P.S. what kinda flux you use to solder aluminum to copper? Don



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Allan In NE

12-01-2006 15:56:57




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to oldcraneguy, 12-01-2006 15:50:17  
The tubes in this one are all copper.

It is just a question of wheather there is enough "angle of the dangle" left to get a hold of.

Allan



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olddog

12-02-2006 04:02:57




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:56:57  
if the tubes are copper, mebbe ya could strip some of the alum fins back to gain more tube to solder on??? The hi side won't miss a few fins. Can you get it out to where you could position it for best access to solder??? Although they are copper, they will surprise you how thin wall they are.



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Allan In NE

12-01-2006 17:13:39




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:56:57  
Book says that this end of the condenser should take a "#8 male flare" fitting.

Is this something I can buy locally at a hardware/plumbing store? Is this just a common sweat fitting?

I just might be able to sweat an end on this thing and save it.

Thanks,

Allan



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greenmech

12-01-2006 19:59:24




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 17:13:39  
Allan , you may want to use sil-phos rod to solder up your fittings on the AC. Best thing to use on HP lines. Ron Mn.



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Ultradog MN

12-01-2006 15:40:57




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
Well Allan,
Try to look at the bright side.
This time of year you should be able to stay pretty cool in that cab without all those expensive parts.



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No tools

12-01-2006 15:35:06




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
And to you Allan sic'im
I kno You Can whip'im
You c he have no claaa www ssss
Bill



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No tools

12-01-2006 15:31:19




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
And to you Allan sic'im cause you can whip'im I kno u c he have no clo ooosss.
Bill



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Michael Soldan

12-01-2006 15:27:54




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
..and just what is wrong with a can of worms??? Someone has to advocate for worms. If you are going fishing a can of worms is good...if you forget and leave them in the cab for a few days...well..... ...



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Cliff Neubauer

12-01-2006 15:23:04




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
Allen, if you decide to keep the condensor behind the cab I'd check to see what you local autoparts store can come up with for fans. The stock IH fans aren't that reliable and the more air you can get through the condensor the better if you ask me.



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Allan In NE

12-01-2006 15:34:56




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 12-01-2006 15:23:04  
Cliff,

Which direction is the air flow supposed to be? Up or down?

I have two motors/fans out of two of these old swamp coolers I could use, I guess, but the air flow is down. Guess it really wouldn't make a difference would it?

Just went out and crawled up on top of that cab again. Maybe, just maybe I could solder on a new copper fitting on the bad tube. It is the short fitting that is ripped off and it's awfully close to the coil tho. :>(

Allan

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jddriver

12-01-2006 17:16:19




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:34:56  
i would think it would be upward.John Deere combines are.It also sucks the heat away from cab.Allan could have used your cab today.Boys cotracted about50 driveways and we har the 110 and 112 and my 70 with blades on them.I am tired and ready to wtch the nascar awards ceremony and study my eye lids.Steve



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Cliff Neubauer

12-01-2006 15:39:04




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:34:56  
If I remember right they pull air upward through the condensor, I suppose that reduces how much dirt gets stuck in the condensor.

I don't know what it would take to make the hoses fit but I'm pretty sure the 86 series condensor is available aftermarket and it's a fraction of the price of the 66 series.



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Allan In NE

12-01-2006 15:44:23




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Cliff Neubauer, 12-01-2006 15:39:04  
Yes Sir,

I can get either one, but that 66 series is awfully spendy.

I'm just wondering if it wouldn't make more sense to stap it out in front of the radiator and loose the condenser motors/fans altogether.

Don't know what I'd run into as far as different fittings, etc.

That '86 series uses pipes all the way up the wall piller where as the 66 uses hoses. Might have to go look at the neighbors tractor.

Allan

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Cliff Neubauer

12-01-2006 15:56:25




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:44:23  
If I remember right the early 86 series used flared fittings while the later models used O-ring. I imagine a good parts guy with a little spare time could figure out what adaptors you'd need to mix the 66 and 86 series systems.



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Tim Shaw

12-01-2006 15:21:58




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
Look on the bright side. The reciever/dryer is still there. :)



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IaGary

12-01-2006 15:09:42




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to Allan In NE, 12-01-2006 15:00:34  
Allan

I sure hope you know what belongs where to make it work.

You lost me right after the compressor got mounted.

The rest of that stuff in the cab makes about as much sense to me as the computor talk you guys sometime use. NOTHING

Good Luck Gary



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Allan In NE

12-01-2006 15:24:32




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to IaGary, 12-01-2006 15:09:42  
Yeah,

I know how it works, but what is yankin' my chain a little is that I already bought a hose kit for a 66 series tractor.

If I have to move that condenser up front of the radiator, doubt if those hoses are gonna work. Plus, if I eliminate that rear 'box', where do I mount the receiver?

Not gonna cry til I pull the rest of the roof and take a peek inside that evaporator/heater core area. It might all be junk, for all I know. :>(

Allan

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12-01-2006 15:21:28




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 Re: Can Of Worms, Part 1 in reply to IaGary, 12-01-2006 15:09:42  
Gary how come Allan did'nt buy a red tractor?????


Hang in there allan Don't back up ??? look out there's a green one back there??>

Have Gooodun
Bill



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