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Bill from MA

11-26-2006 17:14:50




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Just saw an ad at the gas station for a ton of Canadian bagged pellets for about $300.

We have been thinking of getting an insert for the fireplace and this has me thinking if pellets are easier/more efficient than wood.

Obvious dis-advantage is I may be able to get free firewood for a regular stove/insert and am tied to pellets if I go that route.

How many cords of woood v. a ton of pellets?
Anyone have one? Any other commments or thoughts?

Thanks,
Bill

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Mike Van

11-27-2006 12:20:41




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to Bill from MA, 11-26-2006 17:14:50  
Last December here in Ct. pellets were like hens teeth - All the dealers had a 3 - 4 bag limit per customer. The driver for the pellet co. said there was no sawdust to be bought in New Englad, it was all spoken for/sold/whatever. Just my 2 cents, but if you can't get them, the stove is usless. Not like you can burn old pallets, newspapers or even leaves in them.



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Midwest redneck

11-27-2006 02:52:52




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to Bill from MA, 11-26-2006 17:14:50  
I bought a US stove pellet/corn burner. It works very well, the guys on this site helped me in the decision to buy one. 1. a corn/pellet burner is automatic as long as you fill the hopper every 7 hours or so. 2. a wood stove needs to be reloaded every 3-4 hours or so, at least mine did and it would not save me money on the propane bill because I have to go to work, sleep etc. If you buy a stove be sure it burns corn and pellets. I paid $483 for 2 tons of pellets, that is $4.83 (with tax) per 40lb. bag of pellets. I go through 80 lbs. of pellets in a 24 hr. period. Keep in mind that in the dead of winter the pellets will be $10/day vs. $20/day for propane. Corn in my area is $7/100lb. bag. Corn is a little harder to store but garbage cans are cheap in the long run. IMO----a wood stove is great if you are retired and can load wood into the stove all the time to keep the main furnace from turning on. If I had to guess you will likely go through $5/day of firewood if you had to buy it and burn it in a stove. Firewood can be cheap I just sold 2 pickup loads to a guy for $60, about 2 face cords.

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SM in Wi

11-27-2006 03:29:21




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-27-2006 02:52:52  
You say $4.83 with tax? You should not pay taxes on pellets. That's home heating. I don't pay tax on pellets where i buy them.



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Bill from MA

11-27-2006 13:35:22




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to SM in Wi, 11-27-2006 03:29:21  
Sales taxes vary by tax jurisdiction. There can be up to 4 in any given place and there are an unbelievable number of rules and exceptions.

I worked for two large U.S. companies over the years and they couldn"t get Atlanta sales taxes right (which is in 2 counties, backwards of how most of us think it would be) so I am sure there are plenty of places with a sales tax on pellets (and just about anything else in any combination you can think of!)

Bill

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Midwest redneck

11-27-2006 08:39:38




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to SM in Wi, 11-27-2006 03:29:21  
I will have to check that, I know that I pay 4% tax on Propane, it even says so on the invoice.



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SM in Wi

11-27-2006 13:34:09




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to Midwest redneck, 11-27-2006 08:39:38  
I'm from Wisconsin. I also use fuel oil to heat my house. I never payed tax on fuel oil for home heat. I asked when i bought my pellet stove if their would be tax on pellets. I was told NO because it's home heating.



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Midwest redneck

11-27-2006 14:11:52




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to SM in Wi, 11-27-2006 13:34:09  
I wish I could apply that tax exempt thing everywhere. Hello this is the federal government please pay such and such. I then say "Oh I have this special membership card that says I dont have to" I may be able to deduct the sales tax somehow, I will check into it.



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Midwest redneck

11-27-2006 02:52:37




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to Bill from MA, 11-26-2006 17:14:50  
I bought a US stove pellet/corn burner. It works very well, the guys on this site helped me in the decision to buy one. 1. a corn/pellet burner is automatic as long as you fill the hopper every 7 hours or so. 2. a wood stove needs to be reloaded every 3-4 hours or so, at least mine did and it would not save me money on the propane bill because I have to go to work, sleep etc. If you buy a stove be sure it burns corn and pellets. I paid $483 for 2 tons of pellets, that is $4.83 (with tax) per 40lb. bag of pellets. I go through 80 lbs. of pellets in a 24 hr. period. Keep in mind that in the dead of winter the pellets will be $10/day vs. $20/day for propane. Corn in my area is $7/100lb. bag. Corn is a little harder to store but garbage cans are cheap in the long run. IMO----a wood stove is great if you are retired and can load wood into the stove all the time to keep the main furnace from turning on. If I had to guess you will likely go through $5/day of firewood if you had to buy it and burn it in a stove. Firewood can be cheap I just sold 2 pickup loads to a guy for $60, about 2 face cords.

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paul

11-26-2006 23:03:13




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to Bill from MA, 11-26-2006 17:14:50  
A pellet stove is dependant on the supply of pellets. I hear prices go up. I hear areas run out.

I would _always_ buy that type of stove that allows burning corn, pellets, cherry pits, etc. I would _not_ buy 'just' a wood pellet stove. You are locked into only one fuel, & you have no control or alternative.....

Corn price will always varry between $1.50 - 4.50 wholesale. World reserves & demands will always level out at those prices. We are at a very rare price spike, due to speculation....

Wood refuse might soon be used in making ethanol, so wood pellets are actually at risk of raising in price if they can be used right in the forest, rather than pelletizing & hauling all over in 40# bags.

Get a stove that is rated for both wood & corn, then you can play the market.

My view.

--->Paul

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Matt Kane

11-26-2006 18:38:39




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to Bill from MA, 11-26-2006 17:14:50  
Thats the problem, pellets are manufactured so its supply and demand. And some corn burners burn pellets, but with the production of ethanol corn will increase. A good epa rated woodstove can produce burn times of 8 to 10 hours, require no electricity and burn 1/3 less wood than a pre epa woodstove. I burn wood all I want is free, and even if I had to buy it its still cheaper than propane. Wood around here is on average 120 a cord.

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SM in Wi

11-26-2006 18:27:23




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to Bill from MA, 11-26-2006 17:14:50  
We got a pellet stove this fall. We are buying hard wood pellets made in Wisconsin for $235 a skid. 60 bags 40 pound bags on a skid. The big advantage to a pellet stove over a wood stove is that a pellet stove is more automatic, and you will not have any problems with your fire insurance company. Take a look at the pellet fuels institute website.

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Sid

11-26-2006 18:07:28




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 Re: OT - pellet stoves in reply to Bill from MA, 11-26-2006 17:14:50  
About every one around here that I know with a pellet stove talk about thirty to fifty pounds a day. Fifty per day =1500 per month=three ton four months. Your poundage may vary. They tell me that price of pellets has got them spending more than they were on propane. Some of the ones that took there propane stoves out are singing the blues.



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