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NEsota

11-19-2006 13:45:55




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Yesterday, I was listening to a ‘very independent’ truck driver who often gives off more heat than light. Anyway he mentioned “black diesel” (fuel). When asked what that was, he said it was mixing crank-case drainings with diesel fuel and using the mixture as fuel for the engine. My lack of knowledge on diesel trucking practices would make me very skeptical of doing this for more than just legal reasons. A Google search for 'Black Diesel' did not turn up anything of interest and I would like hear comments about this.

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souNdguy

11-20-2006 06:32:57




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 Re: Black Diesel in reply to NEsota, 11-19-2006 13:45:55  
I've heard that ocean lines. etc.. burn their oil after changes.. etc

Soundguy



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Greg_Ky

11-19-2006 14:35:48




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 Re: Black Diesel in reply to NEsota, 11-19-2006 13:45:55  
It is called an oil mate. It takes oil out of the crankcase and mixes it with fuel and burns it. It also replaces the oil removed with fresh oil from a tank mounted on the rear of the cab. Only small amounts are are exchanged.



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Greg_Ky

11-19-2006 14:37:13




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 Re: Black Diesel in reply to Greg_Ky, 11-19-2006 14:35:48  
The Link did not work but here is the url
www.oilmate.com



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Michael Soldan

11-19-2006 14:29:37




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 Re: Black Diesel in reply to NEsota, 11-19-2006 13:45:55  
I was at a Trucking safety and display a year ago and one of the exhibitors had a filtering system for used motor oil which was then suitable to add to the fuel tanks to be burned as a fuel. Their claim was a system that took all the impurities(carbons) out of it. The oil did look pretty clean! They were talking about increases in power and mileage by adding (and If my memory serves me it was 5% oil). Thus 200 gallons of diesel could have 10 gallons of used refined crankcase oil in it. Many large trucking companies recycle all their motor oil this way. The filtering system was quite expensive but with large quantities of used oil available it would soon pay for itself. I would have some fears about using straight crankcase oil because of the impurities, ruining a pump or clogging injectors..anyway its done all the time

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jdemaris

11-19-2006 14:24:22




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 Look in your Chevy manual in reply to NEsota, 11-19-2006 13:45:55  
I guess I'm not sure if I understand your question, but adding used motor oil to diesel oil has been done for many years. That's where all my used oil goes - but in my situation, just in my farm off-road diesel tank. Technically, I don't know if it legal for road use or not. In many other countries, it is NOT legal, since overseas - there is usually a "blanket law" that states ANY fuel for a road vehicle must be taxed - including bio fuel. Now, in this country - i.e. USA, bio fuel - e.g. cooking grease IS still legal. So, it seems that used motor oil is also. But, since just a little used oil blackens a lot of fuel - it could lead to problems if a road dip-check was ever done. I've put as little as five gallons of used oil in my 1000 gallon diesel tank and had it all turn color. If you look in the early 80s Chevrolet owner's manual for diesel pickup trucks - it mentions the common practice of many truck stops having used motor oil mixed in their fuel.

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Jon Hagen

11-19-2006 15:35:55




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 Re: Look in your Chevy manual in reply to jdemaris, 11-19-2006 14:24:22  
jdemaris,what does the Chevy manual say about black diesel ? Is it ok,or apt to clog things up ? Sounds lke a good clean way to use up used oil. Would adding used oil to winter blend diesel fuel adversly affect the gell point ? Might be a summer only thing to do.



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jdemaris

11-19-2006 17:53:40




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 Re: Look in your Chevy manual in reply to Jon Hagen, 11-19-2006 15:35:55  
In regard to gel-point, it must thicken the fuel. But, I don't use it when it's below 20 degrees F - so I can't say I've tested it. We get 30 below here at times, and I run 50/50 kero-diesel mix with Power Service anti-gel added. Here's a quote from my 1982 Chevy diesel owner's manual: "Chevrolet is aware that some service stations mix used engine oil with diesel fuel. Some manufacturers of large diesel engines allow this; however for you diesel engine, DO NOT USE DIESEL FUEL THAT HAS BEEN CONTAMINATED WITH ENGINE OIL. Using contaminated fuel will effect emission control and could lead to exensive engine damage, which may not be covered by the warranty. Before using ANY diesel fuel, be sure to check with the service station operator to see if it has been mixed with engine oil."

That's kind of funny, since only a few years earlier - late 70s, Chevy stated in the diesel manuals that gasoline could be used in an emergency in their 350 Olds-based diesels (only a certain percentage). When the first small diesels came out, there were not many small places to buy diesel - mostly just truck stops. So, diesel fuel could be scare. Still is in some places. I was in the Upper Penninsula of Michigan this summer. Planned to stay in Paradise for a week and look for land (Paradise is a town, not Heaven). Got there and found out their only diesel station was out of business. We had to turn around to go back. In regard to using used motor oil, it's not something I worry about - but I might if someone else was doing it and I had no control over it. I have my own large diesel tank, my own used motor oil, and I know how much I put in. Also, all my diesels are mechancially injected with virtually no emission controls. I wouldn't consider using this sort of mix in a late 90s or newer diesel. In fact, many new diesels have color-sensors and will shut the engine down if the fuel is not clear enough. And, other new diesels have particle-collectors built into the exhaust system that might get screwed up. Heck - as of 2008 - as I last read - no company will make a diesel car that can be run in California with just diesel fuel. Mercedes has the only diesel vehicle that will meet the new regs - but to be legal in CA - it has two tanks - a diesel tank and a chemical tank - and the latter must be injected with the diesel.

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Bus Driver

11-19-2006 14:15:19




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 Re: Black Diesel in reply to NEsota, 11-19-2006 13:45:55  
Caterpillar has, or had, a program for burning used crankcase oil along with the Diesel fuel. Some larger diesels do deliberately use small amounts of the crankcase oil for fuel in normal operation. Your acquaintance is correct in this instance.



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NEsota

11-19-2006 13:50:46




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 Re: Black Diesel in reply to NEsota, 11-19-2006 13:45:55  
I should have said that besides being ‘very independent’ he is usually one, or less than one step ahead of the sheriff.



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