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transmision fluid in my wood splitter

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phil lowe

11-17-2006 10:42:41

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Hi guy's just bought an old PTO driven Splitter ,has it's own pump and gear box ,the guy I bought it from used trany fluid in it ,said that it had lubricants in it ???
I''ve drained it out to get any water ,contaminants out and the oil,,er trany fluid looks ok ,should I pour most of it back in ,or go get 5 gallons of HYDRAULIC fluid to put in er.
I did notice that the pump seems to be fairly noisey....I'm gonna open up the gearbox drain and see if it has gear oil in it as well..I'll talk latter about another issue I've got with it stalling out the tractor..think it's in the relief valve..But one isssue at a time !!

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JK-NY

11-17-2006 17:50:34

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to phil lowe, 11-17-2006 10:42:41

The ATF should be ok.If you want to use the splitter in cold weather it will stay thinner than universal hyd fluid . Good advice given below about checking your relief valve pressure (or installing one if there isnt one) , and check for good oil supply on suction side of pump , better to have the resevoir above than below suction side.

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BarryfromIA

11-17-2006 17:00:44

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to phil lowe, 11-17-2006 10:42:41

Your highest priority should be checking to be sure the pressure bypass is ok. Next time it may not stop the tractor, it could blow up the pump.

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Mike Veen

11-17-2006 16:43:21

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to phil lowe, 11-17-2006 10:42:41

We are just about ready to make a splitter using a old 50"s truck frame (the back half on wheels).We are going to run it off the quick connect end of things from the 1965 case gasser,not my diesel backhoe.Any helpful hints on ram size and controls that won"t kill the poor old tractor.

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RodInNS

11-17-2006 14:23:28

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to phil lowe, 11-17-2006 10:42:41

Hi Phil,

The ATF will be fine in the splitter. Universal tractor fluid is fine. AW32, AW46, or AW68 would also be fine. That's about the most basic hydraulic system you've going to find. The needs aren't great, so long as it's not foaming too bad. I would just pick one fluid and stick to it. I use the UTF in all my hydraulic systems because it's cheap and easy to keep around...
As far as the stalling goes.... That could be a releif valve. It could also be that you have more pump there than the 3000 wants to turn when the pressure rises. If he used a truck cylinder, he may have used a truck pump... and a big truck pump will easily stall that tractor dead if it's not geared right, and the tractor wound out... Post up a picture of the pump, and the drive arrangment, or figure out the drive ratio. HTH.

Rod

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Vern-MI

11-17-2006 13:25:34

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to phil lowe, 11-17-2006 10:42:41

Go with a good hydraulic fluid like Mobile DTE-24, 25, or 26. Mobil hydraulic fluid doesn't have the abrasive friction modifiers that ATF has. If you still want to use the ATF then get some of the old Ford F type and not the newer Dextron or Mercon series that have more of the friction modifier abrasives.

Mobil DTE 20 series

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kyhayman

11-17-2006 12:27:52

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to phil lowe, 11-17-2006 10:42:41

Depends on what it calls for when it was made. An automatic transmission is one of the most demanding hydraulic systems ever invented. Wet clutches, automatic valves, slippage in a fluid coupling, and little or not maint in most cases. Most agricultural hydraulic fluids are not nearly as tough. Thats not to say it should or shouldnt be in there, just that if its made for it, the generally thicker hydraulic oils and fluids would dramatically slow down the system.

ATF is powerful stuff, thats what ran everything in my 550G Deere dozer, from the factory.

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Bus Driver

11-17-2006 11:49:53

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to phil lowe, 11-17-2006 10:42:41

The ATF should be fine.

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Luke S

11-17-2006 10:58:28

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to phil lowe, 11-17-2006 10:42:41

I think I'd put what ever the manufacturer calls for in it. I don't know why people think they should put a fluid into a sytem that was designed to run on something else. Tranny fluid has all kinds of stuff in it like friction modifiers and other stuff that I don't think I'd wanna run in a hydraulic system. I guess you could do it, might get by with it, but why?

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phil lowe

11-17-2006 11:07:31

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to Luke S, 11-17-2006 10:58:28

this is an old home made jobby,,with an old dump truck lift cylinder..so no exact manufacturer to speak of ,,

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J Schwiebert

11-17-2006 19:08:50

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to phil lowe, 11-17-2006 11:07:31

Did they also use the dump truck pump? Also the comments on the oils are interesting. Dump truck cylinder can vary in diameter from 6 to 9+ inches, however I am guessing this is not a tipical dump truck cylinder as they are single acting cylinders. Also does the pump run right off the 540 tractor PTO? FYI: A dump pump with the 2-1/2 inch gears at say 1500 -1800 RPM will need an imput of 30 Horsepower. So what are you using for a tractor. Actually a large cylinder will be slow but your pressure load should be low. J.

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Tom R Ne

11-17-2006 11:34:12

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Re: transmision fluid in my wood splitter in reply to phil lowe, 11-17-2006 11:07:31

I would recommend that you replace the ATF with a good Hydraulic oil.

Noisy pumps are often caused by pump cavitation.

Does the splitter have a gear pump? If so gear pumps are not great at lifting oil so it is best if the tank is higher than the pump inlet.

Other frequent causes of cavitation are a plugged filter/strainer in the tank on the return piping, and too small of line on the pump suction . Long term cavitation will ruin a pump.

On the stalling issue it would be helpful to know the GPM rating of the Pump and the actual system pressure.

If you can't find any GPM information on the pump give us the bore size of the Cylinder and the time in seconds that it takes to stroke 10" (at the normal operating engine speed. Is it PTO operated or does it have it's own small engine?

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