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Allan In NE

11-13-2006 03:26:26

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Now, I'm a little disgruntled.

The plug in the back of the head that I wanted to use as a hot water source for the cab heater just will not come out of the head.

So, now I'm down to choosing to use either the thermostat bypass feed up at the front of the engine or tee off of the darned temp sender. Didn't wanna do that if I could help it.

Then, to top it all off, I've still gotta plumb in that silly tank heater someplace.

Really hate it when a plan DOESN'T come together. Didn't accomplish a darned thing yesterday. Grrrrr. :>(

Allan

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DADDY E

11-13-2006 20:18:32

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:26:26

Hi Allan You can remove the drain plug for the block & hook your line in there for your heater. We can't allow you to be cold this winter; your hands might be to cold to be on this site.

Have read & enjoyed your pictures many times.Thanks Regards from Canada..... ..Eldon

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Ted in NE

11-13-2006 07:17:51

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:26:26

Allan,

Pipe threads are tapered. Heat just the plug. Cool quickly with water, will come right out. Have a 5/16" plug socket I could send you.

Ted

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Bob

11-13-2006 07:13:16

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:26:26

I have almost never gotten a water plug like that out without using the "smoke wrench".

You don't mention having tried that, yet?

Heat the PLUG red hot and let it cool to ambient 2 or 3 times, and it will screw out easily.

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jhill52

11-13-2006 05:57:55

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:26:26

Allan,
I don;t know but I don;t think you and that tractor don't get along very well. Everything you do on that one is a struggle. Must be the gas engine.

Jerry

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Allan In NE

11-13-2006 06:08:07

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to jhill52, 11-13-2006 05:57:55

Yes, Totally agree.

New Rule: No more gassers! :>)

Allan

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Sam#3

11-13-2006 05:53:40

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:26:26

Avoid using the Temp. sensor location at all cost. Unless it's (the sensor) in a proper 'well' it won't read correctly. Course you could leave the heater water on year round. :)

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Shovelman

11-13-2006 04:56:14

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:26:26

Allan,

Don't give up on the plug at the back of the head just yet. It sounds like it is a 5/16" square socket-head plug. Snap-on makes the proper tool for it. Find a Snap-on guy and ask him for a PPM-410.

Mack engines use that same odd-ball sized plug and without the proper tool are next to impossible to get out.

Good luck,
Scott

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Allan In NE

11-13-2006 05:00:25

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Shovelman, 11-13-2006 04:56:14

I had that head re-worked at the machine shop last summer. 'Spose that is where it got installed.

I've never heard of a plug with that size drive before. :>(

Sure would be nice if I could feed from that location so I could put in a shut-off valve.

Thanks,

Allan

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Shovelman

11-13-2006 05:14:17

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 05:00:25

Try this link:

Snap-on PPM 410

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No tools

11-13-2006 03:51:56

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:26:26

Well allan if the boys don't bet me down.
Here we go.
IF you have a welder?
What i done on the boys 966 head(just the plug)
IT was a socket type plug after lowering the coolant i drilled through the plug.(now took the welder fill to socket with weld)when it kools it swrinks?
NOW if square head just heat the plug just by itself almost cherry red if you don't heat head itself that head will stand alot.

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Allan In NE

11-13-2006 03:58:58

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to No tools, 11-13-2006 03:51:56

It's the goofest thing I ever saw.

Square drive, but it isn't 1/4 and it isn't 3/8". Must be a 5/16ths 'er something. Can't get a tool on it other than a pair of vice-grips and it won't budge.

Maybe I need a different tractor? :>)

Allan

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Harold Hubbard

11-13-2006 05:22:30

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:58:58

If it isn't welded in by rust, you should be able to put in a short piece of 5/16 key stock and turn it with an open end wrench. The shank of a small square cold chisel will work better if you can find one the right size.

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Nebraska Cowman

11-13-2006 05:15:46

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:58:58

Key stock and a Crescent wrench Allan

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Allan In NE

11-13-2006 05:27:43

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 11-13-2006 05:15:46

This is starting to get a little scary.

Think I'm getting co-dependant on people I haven't even met yet. :>(

Gonna try my ring-compressor 5/16" wrench. :>)

Allan

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No tools

11-13-2006 04:15:25

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:58:58

NO you don't need a differant tractor.
I'am at work i don't remember what the ole 706 looks like.
OLE YOWLER is waiting on me I'LL CK back THANK MUCH BILL

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sd pete

11-13-2006 03:35:54

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-13-2006 03:26:26

Bummer, its been a long time since i was around one of those gassers but will a frost plug heater work in it. They are not as big i know, but usually a little easier to install. And maybe some insulation wrapped around the heater hoses will help keep the juice warm on its longer travel to the heater. Just some of my ponderings before the folgers kicks in.

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Allan In NE

11-13-2006 03:43:30

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Re: Well Phooey! in reply to sd pete , 11-13-2006 03:35:54

I dunno,

I wanted to hook it up like the factory set up with the heater shut-off valves but I can't do that if I plumb into the bypass 'cause that route has to stay open all the time. :>(

Yeah, probably should have bought the soft-plug type heater also.

This little project has fought me every inch of the way. Maybe it's 'cause I hate gassers. :>)

Allan

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