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Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate

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Allan In NE

11-10-2006 07:29:28




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I can say this with a high degree of certainty:

The three most worn out tractors that I've ever laid eyes on are three which I bought. :>)

Allan




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Hugh MacKay

11-10-2006 20:52:38




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
Allan: Think about this, as I travel the countryside I see far more 06 and 56 series tractors in good shape than 66 and 86. In fact I can't remember when I've seen a 66 or 86 I'd take a second look at. I'm talking about tractors on farms as well as dealer lots. Around these parts, there are all kinds of 06 and 56 well looked after and in good condition. I have three neighbors with 856s, all bought new by those folks.

I've often said 06 and 56 were better tractors, but there really wasn't a whole lot of difference in the 4 series. Here is my theory, 06 and 56 were bought new when there was relatively good times down on the farm. They were bought by farmers a bit more established, better net worth, etc. when high interest hit in 80s. Probably most of them along with matching equipment was paid for by the time the farm crunch came along.

66 and 86 on the other hand were probably owned by farmers with a lot less equity. A lot of the young farmers of the day farmed several years, not knowing if they were even going to be able to hang on. The banker did indeed pull the plug on many of them, and the ones that did manage to squeek by, did it on a shoe string. Not exactly the kind of conditions, that keeps folks up to snuff on their maintinence and serviceing.

There is a a scrap yard a few miles from me, not many 06 and 56 grills sticking up in that lot, but it's full of 66-86 grills. I was there this summer and that fact stuck out like a sore thumb.

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tractorsam

11-10-2006 16:41:38




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
One tractor I bought last year (MF 135) with a 3 cyl diesel had been run pretty hard. She had 5050 hours and the engine was plumb worn out. Not only was there a ridge at the top of the sleeves but there was one at the bottom as well. The back side of the hose between the air cleaner and the manifold had a big old split and it was packed full of dirt. I also had to put all new wheels on it because of the manure that was eating it away. And that was just the beginning. tractorsam

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Bill46

11-10-2006 10:15:58




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
Allan if you saw some of the iron I drag home...you would for sure scratch your head in wonder. I hate to see anything die or get trashed.
I now have 5 IH 300Us, 3 350Us, a 350D, a Super M, 2 450Ds, a B450D, a 656D, a 656D Hydro utility, a Green 50, a green 820D, an orange L a Super A with a 153 motor and a green 5105. Do I need them all...no, but some were dad's , some I bought and 2 were given to me. They were on their way to scrap or too cheap to pass up. Besides...someone may need one one day.
You photo makes some of mine look real good.
All I can say it...long live the old iron...

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37 chief

11-10-2006 10:14:57




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
Allan,I can relate to your problem, I am in the process of rebuilding a motor on a tactor I purchased not running. It is a JD industrial 4 cylinder diesel with 219 engine. Water in the oil was from a hole in the piston sleeve, crank needs turning, cam is bad and needs regrind. Now to top it off the mains have spun in the block. Just need to keep going, can't stop now. Stan



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Aaron Ford

11-10-2006 09:39:30




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
If it makes ya feel better and I'm sure it won't,

My brother bought a MF50 that had been rebuilt but had never run properly afterwards. The dealer tinkered with it and finally sold it for what they had in it. They even gave him a carb kit, cause they thought that the kit that had been installed in the carb was the wrong one. It was their last idea and my brother had the money in hand.

He brought it home and it ran exactly as they had said it would. Poorly.

He went back to town and picked up spark plugs. That Z134 has been purring like a kitten ever since.....

My experience was not nearly so enlightened...

Aaron

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dan67

11-10-2006 09:03:00




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
We bought a 3203 JD diesel in late june for moving trailers and loader work it has 344 hr as of this morning and not the only tractor we use.



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Tim...Ok

11-10-2006 08:40:47




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
Allan, that old JD A I've got has the steering wheel worn to about half the original diameter on the bottom third of the wheel,came out of Kansas..like to know how many hours that sow has on her..
Tim



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Allan In NE

11-10-2006 08:55:13




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Tim...Ok, 11-10-2006 08:40:47  
Funny how that hour thing works.

First hour seems like an hour.

Second hour seems like an hour and 10 minutes.

Third hour seems like an hour and a half.

By the time I get done with the sixth hour, I don't wanna even look at that beast again fer awhile and I'm hungry! :>)

Allan



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John A.

11-10-2006 09:51:41




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 08:55:13  
Amen to that....By the 8 or 10 hour, your ready to sell the whole d@mn mess to somebody....anybody. LOL!
Later,
John A.



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Coloken

11-10-2006 08:05:02




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
I go with Harley here.
Since we don't mince words here---
I have been wondering for some time about the place you buy your machinery...coarse that all depends on what you paid for them. I never did feel that a little scratched paint made a tractor less workable. While I am at it, I will never buy a used pickup with a trailer hitch on it--never! I think this goes along with your thinking. As for the hours thing, when I was a kid (many years ago) I was told that 90 percent of the wear came in the first 5 minutes of running. Could be an old wifes tale though.

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Glenn F.

11-10-2006 09:24:11




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Coloken, 11-10-2006 08:05:02  
...or a truck with a snowplow.



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Allan In NE

11-10-2006 08:13:04




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Coloken, 11-10-2006 08:05:02  
Hi Kenny,

I have to buy from the killer row; no other choice. Keeps the crowding and shooving down to a minimum. :>)

The only one I really made a left hand turn on was the Hydro 70. Really should have opted to stay home and play checkers that day. :>)

Allan



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AACCCHHachem!

11-10-2006 08:03:41




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
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Nebraska Cowman

11-10-2006 07:56:20




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
Don't forget my cute little 666 with 10k+ hours. Nahh, you don't have all the worn out ones. But since you are in the habit of writing checks, maybe you want to help me restore it?



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Allan In NE

11-10-2006 08:03:55




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 11-10-2006 07:56:20  
Like the wife keeps telling me, "Ya just can't save 'em all." :>)

Allan



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Josh in Pa

11-10-2006 07:40:30




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
Allen, I know exactly what your talking about. I bought an Oliver 1655 about 2 years ago, from a dealer. Supposedly the dealer had recently rebuilt it, and even used it some on their own farm. Supposed to be a real good old tractor. Since then I have spent as much money as I payed for the tractor doing a major engine overhaul, when it broke a piston. The rear of the tractor makes noise, so its comin apart next, and by the time you get that much into a tractor, the only way to look at it without crying is to paint it so at least its pretty. Josh

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Allan In NE

11-10-2006 08:01:35




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Josh in Pa, 11-10-2006 07:40:30  
Josh,

What I do when I step in this gopher hole is to never look back 'cause if ya do, ya fall into a fit of depression that ya can never get over.

Think I should be okay in another 5 or 6 years tho.

Your Honor, I give you Exhibit A:

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MH

11-10-2006 08:09:59




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 08:01:35  
Looks to me like it came with a new seat...Or did ya put that on too?? Well, I guess you have to start somewhere?:)
Matthew



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Allan In NE

11-10-2006 08:14:54




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to MH, 11-10-2006 08:09:59  
Nope,

Put the seat and steering wheel on because I had lost my a$$ on 'er and didn't know which way to turn. :>)

Allan



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Harley

11-10-2006 07:35:11




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 07:29:28  
Well buddy, that just means two things. You either need to do more shopping around, or you need to lower your standards. Oh ouch. Sounds like when I got my second wife. Git-er-done. Harley



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Allan In NE

11-10-2006 08:06:26




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 Re: Continuing On With The Tractor Hours Debate in reply to Harley, 11-10-2006 07:35:11  
When yer homely like I am, short, dumpy and not all that bright, ya hafta play with the cards ya are dealt. :>(

Allan



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