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davpal

11-09-2006 21:25:38

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I see some of the posts below where some of the guys are talking 30,000 hours on a tractor. That would be one that I would have to see to believe. I agree with Allen, I don't see it happening. I worked on a farm when I was younger that farmed 2000 acres. They bought a new 4-180 white in 1976 that was their primary tillage tractor. It got used to do everything and this was way back before no till was being used. It had to plow, chisle plow, disk, field cultivate, run grain carts to the elevator, you name it, we did it with that tractor. It was bought it 1976 and when I quit there in 1983 it had roughly 2000 hours on it. So it averaged around 300 hours a year doing all that work. It had to have a clutch put in it and the center pins rebuilt at the very least. The original tires were long gone and replaced with radial duals last I saw it. It later got parked and sold at auction and replaced by three big Case Ih 4wds with 50 foot equipment. I don't think I have ever seen a tractor with more than 6000-7000 hours on it. Not that they are not out there, but show me one with 30,000! My white has 4770 hours on it and it was used most of its life to farm 1000 acres. It is a 1975 so that is about 154 hours a year for the last 31 years. I personally don't know how anybody could afford the fuel to run one 30,000 hours! Lets see, mine burns 6.5 gallons per hour under load X 30,000 which equals about 195,000 gallons of fuel at about $2.50 per gallon or roughly $487,500 dollars. I guess I can see why a lot of farmers have gone belly up over the years.

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buickanddeere

11-10-2006 20:55:22

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

JD 70D with just over 10,000hrs in her 1st 20 years. She did a pile of custom work. About 25 hrs in the last 20 years as a parade and odd jobs machine.

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Bill in Colo

11-10-2006 19:44:46

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

I didn,t see any west coast farmers, with trails to tell, back in 62 I ran a TD 14 (1947) crawler doing prime tillage for farmer near the sugar factory at El Centro, Calif. I worked it 11 hour shifts and another worked it 11. Boss told me they worked it 320 days a year. while i was their we took it to shop and had the rails built up.
Currently I have friends in the central valley that put more hours on a tractor in a season than most mid westerner do in ten.
moral of the story is that you don't go looking for low houred tractor in calif.

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the tractor vet

11-10-2006 18:25:41

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

Now don't say that it does not happen , I live not to far from Firestone tractor tire test center and if ya went by there on the back road you would see what ever there flavor of the day out on the test track WITH out a operator going around in a big circle pullen a load non stop the only time that tractor stopped was to fuel up and check fluids and she was back at it at full load and they would put over 20000 to 30000 hours on it then they would get some other flavor tractor . The Case IH dealer has one of the old 1586's that they had and he took it in on trade for a new Mag. and took that one to his farm and is farmen with it and it has over 25000 hours . And haven been a used tractor jockey i have seen a lot of HIGH HOUR tractors at the old dealer only sales that are scarfed up taken away and get a newer tach a sherman and williams over haul a better set of hides and shipped off to a sale someplace else .

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DaYoungPup

11-10-2006 11:52:23

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

It's very possible to put 25-30K hours on one.

The old grape harvester I just purchased I'm sure had 13K+ hours on the old engine. And it has a 1969 Ford 3000 tractor to power it, just changed out the engine this year.

Mind you, this grape harvester was one of the first to roll off the assembly line in the late 60's. Until it came on the seance, everything was hand picked. The original owner's grandson and I are college buddies and we tried to figure out how many hours it had. Early on, it ran at least 10 hours a day for 30-40 days harvesting. So that is 300-400 hours in one year and did this for about most of it's life under the original owner. For 5 years, it ran 20 hours a day (two or three crews running it). It shut down just long enough to fuel up, clean the belts and change the engine oil. That's 600-800 hours per year. The operation was sold off in about 1990, 21 years after it was purchased.

5 years @ 600-800 hours
16 years @ 300-400
21 years total= 7800-10400

My buddies grandmother says, as far as she can recall, the engine was never overhauled.

For the last 15 years, under the second owner, it probably has been running less. About 20 days a season, at 10 hours a day. In the last 15 years, it's racked up 3000 hours. And the second owner didn't do any engin work to it.

So the running total is 10800 to 13400 hours in just 36 years. And that's a seasonal machine only.

And that is just a conservative estimate.

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Glen in TX

11-10-2006 11:13:34

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

Yeah it can happen if you take care of them with regular maintainance. We ran several new generation model JDs from new that had tachs changed a few times and we never really kept up with original hours but I know when sold some were 20,000 + hours on them or much more and they are still out there running somewhere. Most had at least 1 or 2 overhauls of some type during that time but the 4320 engine was well over 20,000 and had never been touched inside the engine or trans.

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jdemaris

11-10-2006 10:59:59

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Western versus Eastern farming? in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

Some of your figuring seems different than mine. First with fuel costs. Ten years ago I could prebuy diesel dyed fuel from Agway - often for 58 cents a gallon. And back in the 60s? I don't remember for sure about farm diesel - but I worked at a place in 1969 where we sold gas for four-gallons for one-dollar - i.e. 25 cents a gallon. Farm fuel had to be cheaper. In regard to 30,000 tractor hours not being possible? Well it must be since I know of a few - for sure - and a few others where's it is likely but not verifiable. I know little about mid-western large-scale farming. But - in my area - especially in the 1960s - we had many small farms and few large. It was a bid deal for someone to own a large tractor. When my neighbor bought his 4020 - it was the largest tractor in this area - with the next largest being a 5000 Ford and a Deere 720 diesel. Many farms were using - as main tractors - Deere 520s, 620s, etc. and smaller tractors for hay raking, etc. When this guy got his 4020, it was constantly being borrowed by other farmers - and the favor repaid in other ways. Springtime, it ran non-stop - all spring and most of the summer somewhere. And, besides that - it ran his Jamesway barn cleaner, was often used to run a 30KW PTO generator, silo-blower, long runs spreading manure, etc. As years went on and farms in this area disappeared - somewhere from 70 farms in my own town down to 3 now - the tractor still got, and gets used - but not quite as much. Now, city people borrow it to bushhog, chisel plow, besides the routine farm work by the owner. The last rebuild on that 4020 - at over the 30K mark, somebody from Deere told the owner that several major metal parts should be replaced due to high hours and possible metal fatigue. The young guy that did the job bought a new flywheel, crankshaft, harmonic balancer, along with the standard routine parts. Good idea or not - I don't know. I wouldn't of done it that way - but to the owner - this 4020 was his pride. He has no wife, no kids, no phone, no TV, no license plates on his truck (still drives it though), etc. Now, he doesn't even have a farm (except he holds the mortgage). I thought - from what little I've read - that on many large mid-western grain farms, tractors ran all day long, every day. No truth to that?

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chris sweetland

11-10-2006 10:47:52

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

my stefathers ford 5030 has 15,000 hours on it it ran 24 hours a day for about a year and the thing is used for hay season and logging here and in between that its the most versatle tractor here so to do something quick with a loader its used the tractor is now going to spend the rest of its life at the hunting camp in jamaca vermont in the quiet woods pulling out camp wood and plowing/gradeing the drive way it has served us well real well

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davpal

11-10-2006 09:32:02

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

I guess the point I was trying to make was I have never seen anybody have that much luck with a tractor before. I have looked at the michigan farm trader for years and this is a typical ad."Case 2870 needs rebuilt, trans problems, 8 weatherchecked tires, filthy torn up cab, 6500 hours, $5500 OBO." Not picking on case, this ad is pretty consistant with all brands. I realize you can keep something going as a labor of love like people do with their classic vehicles. Guys tell you they have a pickup with 300,000 miles that has been repainted 3 times, two new engines and two new transmissions, brakes 9 times, radiators, you name it. That truck didn't last 300,000 miles, it was a labor of love. You can keep fixing something forever and it will go a million hours, I just think the real high hour machines are a bit of a rarity for the average person. And on fuel prices, gas is actually cheaper now adjusted for inflation than it was 30 years ago when we all made $2 dollars an hour. So my gas price at $2.50 per gallon is pretty consistant as a part of a persons earnings. That is what I meant. The old white had the center worked on but it was the link bars right below the cab. I don't think we had to change the pin, just the links. I am pretty sure JD has much better center pin than white had, especially on that model. 4-210 and 4-175 were MUCH better. Don't get me wrong, I love tractors but I have been where Allen is and we have fixed up all the farmalls, ford, and my 4-150. If it were not for us, probably three of them would be in the junkyard a long time ago!

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SMA in NE

11-10-2006 06:54:01

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

I worked for a farmer that fed cattle. He bought a new JD 7800. It was used in the field and the feedlot. Between feeding several thousand head of cattle, pulling the box scraper in yards, hauling manure, etc. the tractor had around 9500 hours (electronic tach) when it was about 10 years old. Probably won't make it to 30,000 hours, the feedlot life is hard on equipment. But 30,000 hours is possible for a tractor that has good care..

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barnrat

11-10-2006 06:38:16

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

One thing you guys fail to consider is that actual tractor engine hours rack up faster the higher the engine rpm. One of my tractors says "Hours at 1850rpm" on the tachometer. PTO rpms are 1900. I typicaly run my tractor in the field at or above pto speed. So if I run my tractor at WOT 2600rpms(say chopping corn) and I put in a 10 hour day on the tractor that would equal about 13-14 engine hours on the hour meter. I think this senerio exists on many of our older tractors. Also a tractor that has 30k hours on it may only have 24-25k "saddle hours".

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Brokenwrench

11-10-2006 06:27:16

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

The neighbor has an 806 with about 25,000 hrs on it. Was used alot on an irrigator pump. Sat many hrs in one spot just runnin the pump. If I was good with posting a pic I would, cause this tractor is in awesome original shape. It"s a red one Allen would be proud of. The neighbor was an extremely fussy farmer with beautiful equipment. He retired about 5 years ago, and sold everything, except the 806 and a utility tractor with a loader. I`m not positive what work has been done on this tractor, but I know whatever it`s needed, it got.

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PJBROWN

11-10-2006 06:27:01

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

I know of a person with a 4430 that has been around 3 times.... I know we have a JD 2755 with a 245 loader on it with 15,000 plus hours on it and it does not do field work. It cleans the barn 2 times a day and feeding 2 twice a day. If you have a tractor on a mixer wagon and feed 2 times a day 365 days a year you will be amazed how quick the hours add up. They do up even quicker in the winter when you let it warm up longer or keep it running. Plus plowing snow... The 2755 still runs like new and I'm sure it will have a lot more hours put on it in the years to come.

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jdemaris

11-10-2006 05:56:34

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Re: Yeah, a 4020 for one in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

I know of several with over 30K.
My neighbor's 4020 has approx. 35,000 hours on it and I've rebuilt the engine three times over the years and another guy (now deceased) also did it once. And - the little and often cursed Roosamaster CB injection pump has never been replaced. I have fixed a few leaks on it. He bought the 4020 new - actually he bought a pair of 4020s new along with a gas 3020 and a "loggers' special" 350 Deere crawler. He got rid of the one 4020 after only two years - it was a dog. Two 4020s, both equipped the same, both bought new contemperaneously - and one was an awful cold-weather starter and always had something wrong with it - whereas the other was just the opposite. He also had a little Allis ED-40 he bought new early 60s - and he did a lot of light-duty blower work with it. I own it now. Years back - he was considered one of the biggest local employers for people seeking farm jobs. As he came close to retirement - he found it almost impossible to hire any young people. He also got sick with two hernias - and had no health insurance - and had to go to Canada for an operation. In Canada, it was much cheaper for surgery if payiing cash - which he was. He almost lost the right to farm at that time. His farm is the last that is still partly in the village of our town. And, with modern land-use regs. - farming in the village is now illegal. But, he was grandfathered in - with the law stating that if any "farming use" is discontinued for one year - all rights are lost forever. Subsequently, he had to go back to work before he was really healed up - or lose his right to farm. A few years ago (maybe actually 10 years) - he tried to replace the "good" but near worn-out 4020 with a Deutz-Allis - four-wheel drive air-cooled and hates the thing. He's had nothing but trouble with it and it's had two complete engine replacements (not rebuilds). So, he rebuilt the 4020 engine again. He just retired and a new young farmer is using it as his main tractor. I suspect he will fail soon and the farm will become a housing-development. Farm is 450 acres - just about all hillside and mountain-top. Just to spread manure - it is a five-mile round-trip from barn to field in the winter since town roads have to be used. Summer is a shorter run. In the spring - I live on the next mountain top over - approx two miles away - I can hear plowing from sun-up to sun-down and it's all hard-pan with chisel-plows. Even though he's now retired, he still works on the farm without getting paid. He lives next door in a rented trailer - and tried living in Florida one winter and couldn't stand it. So, he's still running the 4020 - but no longer owns it.

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Josh in Pa

11-10-2006 05:20:44

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

How many acres can that tractor plow in an hour? My tractor is only 70 hp, but I'd guess it can do 2 acres per hour. If yours was 5x faster thats 10 acres per hour, so it would take 200 hours to plow that 2000 acres. That only leaves 100 hours per year to work the ground, and do all the other work you talked about. Here in Pa, its hard to find an older tractor with less than 5000 hours. It is real common to see tractors from the 90's with 7500-10,000 hours on them.
Josh

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bm3501466

11-10-2006 04:15:01

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

30K is easy to put on if the tractor is worked extremely often. It is really hard on an engine when it is only run small amounts. Consider how many hours would be on a semi after a million miles. If it averaged 60 MPH its entire life that would be 17,000 hours plus all the time the motor stays idling during stops. The more often a diesel is run CONTINUOUSLY the longer it will last.

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Hugh MacKay

11-10-2006 03:39:51

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

Dave: There have been a hell of a lot more farmers gone belly up paying the interest on 300 hour per year tractors than guys that worked them 800 hours per year. In our neck of the woods we certainly didn't buy the tractors to look at. One criteria I always had in deciding to buy a new tractor, is if there wasn't 800 hours per year work for it then I didn't need it nor could I afford it. These things always were a pricy little item to sit around and look at.

Around these parts we've got a whole host of those 300 hour per year guys, out in public places with that long lineup of new iron, demonstrating to the public how hard done by they are. Many of them cash cropping less than 1,500 acres with $1,500,000. investment in equipment. these guys may be a bit more credible if they were out there on open station 50 year old tractors. I was talking with a friend, few weeks back at an auction. He was telling me his banker advised him not to buy equipment this fall. By spring it's going to be fire sale pricing.

By the way, my friend with 6 machines doing 3,000 hours per year each, owned his own single axle fuel truck. In a mere 25 years he went from a school kid with nothing to having a net worth of $6,000,000. Didn't do that looking at equipment.

Did you ever grease those pivot pins on the White? We changed those on forestry machines every 9,000 hours. Maybe Deere uses better pivots than White.

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billonthefarm

11-10-2006 06:03:09

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-10-2006 03:39:51

So how many hours did you get on that 1066? bill

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TomTX

11-10-2006 04:50:23

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-10-2006 03:39:51

Hey Hugh, that is 60 hours per week for 50 of 52 weeks of the year. Must not ever rain, freeze, or have any droughts to run 10 hours per day 6 days per week all year long. Tom

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Hugh MacKay

11-10-2006 21:00:40

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to TomTX, 11-10-2006 04:50:23

Tom: Some of these machines are working 24x7, 40 weeks of the year. Most are working 24 hours, 5 day per week. No sweat to crank out 120 hours per week, running around the clock.

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kyhayman

11-10-2006 10:23:15

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to TomTX, 11-10-2006 04:50:23

I know my next door neighbor's skid loader does 6 hrs a day plus, 365 days a year. It replaces a 2030 Deere doing the same thing. Scrape manure and feed silage out of a tube at each milking. Then it runs non stop every day that hay is baled moving round bales.

Weather doesnt make any difference, cows gotta be milked.

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Allan In NE

11-10-2006 04:09:51

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to Hugh MacKay, 11-10-2006 03:39:51

Hi Hugh,

So, is it fair to say that you and your hired help were actually doing more outside custom work than hours tallied up on your own place? At 800 hours a year, that tractor was most certainly pickin' 'em up and puttin' 'em down. :>)

I guess 800 hours would be more than I've ever put on in one season using four tractors at a time.

In this country, the ground freezes in the wintertime and the old darlin's just set other than the feeding/chore tractors. Plus, during the irrigating season (60 days in July and August) nothing rolls except the sweat. :>)

Allan

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Hugh MacKay

11-10-2006 21:25:38

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to Allan In NE, 11-10-2006 04:09:51

Allan: No question, my 1066 and Deere forestry skidder probably saw 75% of their hours away from home on custom work. About the only time they were home was spring cropping and filling silos. 300, 560 and 656 did the bulk of my everyday farming. One of the high hour vehicle on my farm were skid steer loaders, 5 hours per day, 365 days per year. That was split between two loaders, I became so dependant on those little loaders, I couldn't have operated 24 hours without them. My barns were built around skid loaders. One at each farm, if we had a breakdown, the other skid loader was ferried back and forth until repairs were made.

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jhill52

11-10-2006 03:19:18

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

I know where there are 2 JD 4440s with over 20,000 hrs. They were the big tractors on a cash crop farm here in the Thumb of Mi. for several yrs. That means lots of hrs doing tillage along with cultivating, pulling dry beans and harvesting beets. They have been well maintained and are still going strong.

Jerry

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Jimmy King

11-10-2006 02:46:58

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

Fuel has not been $2.50 a gal for 20 years, and if the tractor you were using on 2000 acres only had 300 hrs per year something must have been wrong with the hour meter. When I was dairy farming I put 450 hrs on 3 tractors a year on 380 acres and 2/3 of that was timber mostly haying and feeding. I have one tractor with 9000 hrs on it and one with 8000 hrs, the other only has 3000 but I have put a new tach in it.

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Allan In NE

11-10-2006 03:27:43

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to Jimmy King, 11-10-2006 02:46:58

Mornin' Jimmy,

Yep, I hear ya. A guy doesn't know what work is until he's tied into a dairy and nobody disputes the kinds of hours you're talking about. :>)

Take the cows out of the equation tho, and you'd probably be right in there with the kinds of hours Dave is talking about.

On the other hand, I know of guys who farm down south who run three crops a year back to back. They never stop. That would certainly rack up some seat time and tractor hours.

Then, there are the custom boys who run 'em day and night doing work for others. They too, will undoubtedly spin the clock.

Same old story: Different strokes for different folks.

Allan

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Brad in WI

11-10-2006 00:27:38

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

Just think of all the hours that are put on old Farmall's and John Deere's. They may have been rebuilt engines but what about the rest of the tractor. and back then fuel was not $2.00 plus a gallon either.

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T.K. in PA

11-10-2006 00:05:07

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

1964 JD 4020 is pushing 25,000 hrs.
1977 JD 4430 over 10,000
1980 JD 4240 over 10,000
1989 JD 4455 9975 hrs.
1970 Case 970 10,300 hrs.

it is possible if things are maintained well, all of these were bought new or low hrs.

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Brad in WI

11-10-2006 00:25:01

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to T.K. in PA, 11-10-2006 00:05:07

You have to be joking. 8) JD 4020 with nearly 25,000hrs. must have been hooked behind an IH 1066. ;) LOL Suprising what a little bit of maintenence will do to help out a tractor

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MSM

11-09-2006 22:51:06

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

25-30,000 hours is a believable number now adays.Quite possible on some of the larger farms(10-20,000 acres) in the states,more so on the larger farms in South America.In Brazil and Argentina it is very common to run a 3-4 200+ HP MFWD tractors 23 hours a day,7 days a week,for 5-6 months straight chisel plowing and discing. Then put the same tractor on the planter for 4-5 weeks on the same schedule.Stop long enough to fuel up,grease,change operators.Shut it down for service every 10 days.Real easy to rack up 4500-5000 hrs a year.

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Jonfarmer

11-09-2006 22:38:50

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

Well it is quite possible. For example a tractor thats 30yrs old haveing 30,000hrs on it would work out out 1,000hrs a year which is only 2.7hrs a day which is very possible for a tractor that is put on a TMR wagon for a large dairy farm, I know a local farmer who has 600 milk cows and a bunch of heifers spread out on several farms, and he has just the one TMR cart and that one must run atleast that, he mixes up 4-5 loads a day everyday for those animals, then runs it up the road. Then theres the custom operators that run around doing work for hire, got another local fellow who runs the wheels right off his tractors, runs them all day and 3/4 of the night and they always stay right at full throttle. As far as fuel goes, these guys don't just let them sit around doing nothing while they are running, they're using them and of course making money to pay for the fuel. That custom guy we figgure must have a fuel delivery truck meet them every day at their jobsites because he is running the very biggest of equipment and alot of it!, like the 660hp Cummins in his whopper chopper and his 400hp track tractor, no doubt he goes though thousands of gallons of fuel a year. Some farms do put that many hours on equipment, but a TMR tractor is the most likely because they do get used every single day and it never changes how many hours minimumly per day they run. Oh yeah, you spoke of tires too, this custom guy bought a new JD 8420 in sping of 2004 with deep tread radials and he has already worn the tires down to the casings on it, so thats how hard he has ran that, but he is not losing money because he charges per hour, so he is instead lining his pocket with extra money by running it hard. Your tractor can't possibly make money if it never leaves the shed!.

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Bob

11-09-2006 22:18:31

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Re: 30,000 hours on a tractor???!!! in reply to davpal, 11-09-2006 21:25:38

Have you stopped to consider loader and other chore tractors that run the better part of the day 365 days a year?

On the other hand, I have a 1975 Deere 8630 that I bought when it was several years old, with 1882 hours on it. Now, it has 11,800 hours, and I haven't used it since 1997, when I rented the farm out. It racked those hours up doing heavy tillage 6 months out of the year.

It will burn as much as 15 GPH doing heavy tillage, and that is a fraction of what today's BIG tractors can burn.

So, what's so bad about 6.5 GPH???

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