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ShepFL

11-02-2006 21:01:44

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Kinda off topic but just passing along to y"all what I think is a pretty good deal.

If you"re looking for an inexpensive hunting rifle consider this: Wally World here is selling Remington 710 rifles including Burris scope and rings for $250 (any caliber .243-.300 Win Mag). Cheaper than the lever action 30-30s I was looking at.

As such I got one for each teenage son in .270 for an upcoming Youth Hunt and 2007 Ky hunting.

Fit & finish is not great but for the $$ it is pretty decent. Out of the box accuracy seems to be pretty good. Will ring them out at the range this wx to get a real assessment. Trigger is HEAVY at about 9# (lawyers - need I say more).

Here"s how I decided:
It"s good-
If you need only a scope
If you like a detachable mag
If you want a durable finish all over (teenagers)
If the stock feels ok
If the colors are ok for you

It"s not for you-
If you are looking for benchrest accuracy If you want to load it from the top
If you want iron/open sites
If the color doesn"t agree with you & you don"t want to paint it
If you like the shape & feel of a competitively priced gun much better

For me it would be a good rifle to throw under the seat in the truck or in tractor scabbard while doing winter chores/field work and available when a shot presents itself.

PS - this is my first Remington all others are home built or Browing.

FWIW

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jlmtractor

11-04-2006 06:28:31

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

i own a model 710 30-06 with a BUSHNELL scope and it shoots just fine. it kicks more than a normal 30-06 would but thats just cause its a little cheaper model but hey it kills deer nice huntin

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Leland

11-03-2006 17:02:28

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

I don't seem to have the best of luck with walmart firearms ,I bought a 835 mossberg there had to return it and finially the 3rd one worked ,but there is a reason why they sell them so cheap . it is bacause walmart buys a lot of 2nds and 3rds this is how they sell them 1-200 cheaper than the dealers .

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Dave2N

11-03-2006 08:16:14

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

Shep-

Does that 710 have an adjustable trigger like the Remington 700's have?

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Mark

11-03-2006 08:05:52

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

Shep,

Did you buy your land in KY I read you were looking at? I am in Greenup county. getting ready to work on the coyotes and foxes. Kill all the deer..nothing but danged wild goats in my opinion....ruined several cars for me.

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kyhayman

11-03-2006 07:53:04

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

I looked real hard at a Savage .223 single shot for a tractor rifle. Stumbled on a heck of a deal on a like new Colt AR15 HBAR. OMG, what a tractor rifle. Iron sites so no scope to worry about banging off. I shot pretty good with the M16 version when I was in the army so it feels right. For really long shots at coyotes I keep a pair of 30 round mags loaded every other shell soft point and tracer. Walk it right into them.

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dhermesc

11-03-2006 09:05:13

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to kyhayman, 11-03-2006 07:53:04

The only problem with a .223 is most states will have your @$$ if you get caught shooting deer with one.

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kyhayman

11-03-2006 09:29:45

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to dhermesc, 11-03-2006 09:05:13

Not here, any center fire cartridge is legal. Instead they would get you for shooting a deer from a tractor (or boat, truck, ATV, etc).

I got my first deer with a .222 when I was 11. Graduated to a .243 the next year, and then to a .270 a few years later. Gave up deer hunting in 1997, had thought about going back to it this year, before I got hurt. Hoping to get back to it next year.

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Oldmax

11-03-2006 06:26:54

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

I carry a M1 Carbine in my scabbard not to accurate but will sure scare the h--- out of them .

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Mike M

11-03-2006 06:22:49

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

I don't have one (yet) but have heard alot of good about Savage rifles "out of the box" accuracy
and they are suspose to have a real good trigger with that accu-trigger set up.

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dhermesc

11-03-2006 06:22:43

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

I guess differant people have differant ideas on what low cost is. I keep a $84.00 Chinese SKS in the cab. Get it dirty, use it for a pry bar then whip it out and drop 3-4 deer with it then clean it 6 months later and still looks like it did when it came out of the box (for better or worse). Just don't use corrosive ammo and you can get away with treating it about any way you want.

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ShepFL

11-03-2006 08:04:18

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to dhermesc, 11-03-2006 06:22:43

10-4
To clarify I have been looking for an inexpensive HIGH POWER rifle for my sons.

And yes that SKS is a rugged gun. The SKS is ballistically equivalent to the 30-30 which has killed many a deer and more.

Used guns ain't cheap anymore and those I have found in pawn shops etc. are beat to heck and back. $84 won't even buy you a .22 in N. FL.

Thanks

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jdemaris

11-03-2006 09:14:45

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-03-2006 08:04:18

Yeah - I sure don't find any cheap guns like I used to. When I lived on the Vermont-Canadian border - back around 1976 - there was something going on in Qu�bec with guns-laws. I'm not sure what, but the Canuks from La Belle province were bringing us over guns to Newport, Vermont by the bushel basket - hand guns and long guns. I bought an awful lot of nice guns back then in the $50 price range - even a few pre-64 Winchesters and a short-barrel Winchester "trapper's carbine" for a $100. My son came here last month visiting from Colorado and we made the rounds of local gun shops here in NY for used stuff. He'd like to get some older guns with some real wood in them. We could hardly even find a .22 rimfire for under a $100, and older "beater" high-power rifles had price tags on them starting at $300. I used to figure that anyone could find a military 8X55 mauser for $50 and go deer hunting with it. Not so sure anymore. The best deals I've gotten lately have been on-line at gunsamerica.com But, then I have to pay a local FFL shop $25 to accept the mail-order gun. I looked for two years locally, trying to buy a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch-Rifle in .223. Cheapest around here was over $500 used. I ended up buying two nice ones at $150 each from some guy in Texas.

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dhermesc

11-03-2006 08:35:27

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-03-2006 08:04:18

Need to check out the Yugo SKSs - with a decent dealer they are about $90.00.

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dhermesc

11-03-2006 09:22:47

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Re: OT - I was wrong in reply to dhermesc, 11-03-2006 08:35:27

They've gone up to $125.00 - must have gotten tired of giving them away.

Another military rifle that's as sturdy as a hedge post is the Mosin-Nagant M38s or M44s, the ammo is extremely cheap (about 30-06 eqivilent) and the rifles are in unusually good shape for their age - especially compared to the M1s the CMP is selling. Most of these were refinished before going into storage as a strategic reserve to fight off the West in WW3.

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/c/c-r-guns/p/mosin-nagant-m-44/cPath/290/products_id/502?SID

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Fawteen

11-03-2006 12:15:26

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Re: OT - I was wrong in reply to dhermesc, 11-03-2006 09:22:47

Whatcha really want if ya want a primo military rifle is a French Army rifle. Never fired, dropped once...

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jdemaris

11-03-2006 15:16:01

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You know anything about rural France? in reply to Fawteen, 11-03-2006 12:15:26

My grandad and his brother fired their's plenty when they were in the French Army - more specifically the French Alpine mountain unit in WWI along the French and Spanish border in the Pyrenees. At that time, there were a lot of rural French farmers in southern France picking up guns and fighting to the death. My grandad's younger brother at age 16 was killed the first month. My grandma's ville was completely destroyed and all villagers killed (that the Nazis could catch)including woman, children, and farm animals. The rural people of France were quite different than some of their Parisian counterparts. Much of the same in WWII - how about Charles Degaulle and the underground freedom fighters? But . . . there are also a lot of decadent, lazy, and gutless French people - more and more as time goes on. That happens to many societies when they get too comfortable - and I'm afraid it might happen here in the U.S. How many people do you know - today - that would stand up for themselves if some foreign army came marching down our streets? I don't have an answer for that - but from what I've seen lately, I wonder. And - I do have a few worn-out French rifles.

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Dave from MN

11-03-2006 06:11:26

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

Will not shop at Walmart. I beleive there "low cost" push to suppliers is one of the major causes for loss of manufacturing jobs in the U.S.

If I remember right wasnt Walmart the store how many years back gained their popularity by touting "American Made" pruducts to get us to shop there, then turned out most of it's stuff was made in low cost countries and misrepresented as AMerican made? burn me twice , shame on me. Any one from Galesburg Ill for example may feel as I do about outsourcing for "low cost", or the folks in Greenville MI. My beliefs, no offends intended, please respect em.

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jdemaris

11-03-2006 10:39:05

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Evil Walmart? I don't think so in reply to Dave from MN, 11-03-2006 06:11:26

There is NO one place to place blame on the loss of manuf. in the U.S. To blame Walmart is rediculous. And not everything about the company is bad. At least it was founded by a good old-fashioned southern redneck. Some of the ex-dairy farmers in my town now work for Walmart at a rural storage depot nearby. They are happy there - and thrilled not to be milking cows 7 days a week and getting broker all the time. One guy, at first was driving over a 100 miles everyday to work at General Eletric - and was thrilled when Walmart built the rural depot near us - and he now drives 20 miles instead of a 100. Yeah, there's a downside - to having ANY large store come in. Since we got a Lowes, and Home Depot - now all the building supply places s*ck. Why do you suppose Toyota can build trucks in the United States, employ U.S. workers, pay U.S. taxes, use more U.S parts-content in their U.S. built Toyotas than Ford uses in their own trucks, and do so well - while Ford approaches bankruptcy? The airlines, US Auto companies, et. al. are crippled by paying insane pay rates and benefit packages - often to relatively unskilled workers. And, if you want to buy a new U.S. brand truck - then you're helping to pay those wages also. And - if we all boycotted the cheap foreign crap - and only bought - at any price - US built stuff - then where would we be? Forty years ago - there was no chance I could ever buy some of the tools and equipment I own now. Why?? I used to be forced to buy name-brand only at a very high price. Now, with first the Japanese invasion, then the Taiwanese, then Indian, Italian, Chinese, good Lord - even Herzegovina. - there are some great deals out there. The entire system is screwed up - and yes - a threat to American life as many of us have known it. In my own little rural village - in the past 20 years, we lost all our own little mom & pop stores - since most local people are willing to drive 40 miles to save $10 - including me at times. So - generally speaking - we are all to blame.

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Dave from MN

11-03-2006 12:27:41

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Re: Evil Walmart? I don't think so in reply to jdemaris, 11-03-2006 10:39:05

No, not evil Walmart, I agree with your replie. I just have issues with the constant "need to cut cost" cycle. You can only reduce material cost so much, as well operating costs, after that, you have to cut labor expense. Heck I have two guns and numerous tools from there purchased long before I became so stubborn bout going there.

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Jdemaris

11-03-2006 05:58:29

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Ever try to buy for your wife at Walmart? in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

Looks like a good deal. Last Fall, I was looking for a deal on cheap high-power rifles for me and my 30 year old son (not quite a youth anymore). But, I also have a 3 year old son and a couple of 3 year old grandchildren - so some of these guns may be hand-me-downs. I've got several pre-64 Winchester Model 70s - in 300 H&H, .270, and 30.06 - but I don't have the heart to take them out in crap weather anymore - and I do NOT want to lend them out. So, we went to Walmart and they had the Rem 710 and also the new Mossberg 100ATR in .270 and 30.06. At the time, the 710 was priced higher than the Mossberg. I got the feeling that the Mossbergs had a special low price just to get them known. I also had read that some of the 710s had some bolt-sticking problems. We bought two 30.06 Mossbergs for $219 each. Added Weaver variable 3X-9X scopes for an extra $35. I'm kind of surprised how well the cheap scopes work - considering I've got each. So, after a lot of problems with actuallly buying the guns, we are very happy with them. I hate to say it - but they are just as accurate as my old Winchesters - but not as nice to hold and look at. I've heard the 710s are also. My problem at Walmart was - I tried to buy one for my wife. The manager came out - and gave me a stern look - and more-or-less said to me - are you some sort of criminal using your wife's name to buy this weapon? He then would not accept driver's licenses for ID and demanded birth certificates. What ??? I was thinking to myself - well, maybe I'll become a criminal if I now punch you in the head - but instead I told the stupid b*sta*rd to keep the gun. We drove 40 miles to another Walmart and bought the new gun with no problems. In case anyone reading this is in New York - the dumbbell that gave me the hard time is the manager of the sports dept. at Oneonta, NY Walmart. The Cobleskill Walmart people were very nice and actually seem to LIKE guns (imagine that).

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jake4

11-03-2006 09:28:38

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Re: Ever try to buy for your wife at Walmart? in reply to Jdemaris, 11-03-2006 05:58:29

Sorry JD that using another name even though its your wife is cosidered a "straw purchase" by the ATF. If you bought 2 rifles in your own name it would be legal. Each gun requires a form 4473 filled out and signed by the purchaser and a name check goes along with that.

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jdemaris

11-03-2006 09:37:11

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Not the case at all! in reply to jake4, 11-03-2006 09:28:38

I know all that - I used to have a FFL license. My point is - my wife was buying a gun and I was with her - but this guy seemed to think that no woman would want a 30.06 for herself. So, the guy just figured it was an attempt at a straw purchase. I said no buddy, you're wrong and so did my wife. She wanted to learn how to shoot, it was her money, and she wanted her own d*mn gun. Simple as that and absolutey nothing illegal - except I think there ought to be a law against hiring morons like this Walmart manager.
I got the distinct impression - that even though this guy is in charge of the Sports Dept. - he is afraid of guns and hates the idea of private gun ownership - and only wants to sell tennis rackets (safe ones only). What a wimp.

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buickanddeere

11-03-2006 05:57:41

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

The firearm is fine but I would set that bottom end scope aside for no less than a Mrk II Leuopold. Can't hit what you can't see. Any econo scope I ever had suffered a constantly changing point of aim.

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mjbrown

11-03-2006 04:46:49

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

It's pretty amazing what they can turn out with today's manufacturing tools. Did any of you happen to see the episode of "Myth Busters" where they tried to blow up some gun barrels? They finally had to weld a plug in a rifle barrel to make it split.

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Jeff Oliver

11-03-2006 03:14:54

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to ShepFL, 11-02-2006 21:01:44

I've heard alot of good one these rifles and the action and all seem to be a good design. LIke you said it isn't the prettiest in the world but if it works that doesn't matter.

Glad to see Wally World somewhere still sells firearms. We just got a new SuperWalmart here in Martin,Tn. and they have quit selling them in it and the ones in the neighboring cities as well. I was told that the store has to sell like $100,000 in firearms a year to keep the ability to sell them but that sounds really high to me.

Let us know how the 710 shoots,I have thought about one myself but it's not like i need one or anything..LOL!!!!

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kyhayman

11-03-2006 05:49:30

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Re: OT - rifle for the tractor scabbard in reply to Jeff Oliver, 11-03-2006 03:14:54

Here its liquor. If a store sells liquor, state law says they cant sell guns. New Super Walmart (Sams House of Horrors) never even hesitated, much more volume in booze than guns.

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