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NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed

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CharleyFarmall

11-02-2006 11:29:27




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The subject of NAIS certainly brings a rise out of people with a lot of opinions ( see previous post). Everyone seems to be a little right. The government website has more information:
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The program IS voluntary, but it is expected that 100% of premises will be registered by January 2009. 100% of all new animals will be identified, and 60% of all animal movement will be tracked. If not, the intention is to legislate participation. It is unlikely that compliance will be as high as the govt. is hoping.

Currently, you are only required to register your farm and not individual animals. Phase two assigns tracking numbers to individual animals. At that point animals will need to be signed in and out when moved.

Right now, it is primarily aimed at cattle. This was done to facilitate phase in of the system. Horses, pigs, poultry, sheep, goats, deer, and elk are slated to be included. I have heard but cannot substantiate that "domestic" animals will eventually be included.

Not shown directly on their website is that large scale producers will be exempt from individual animal tracking, but smaller farms will not. It's not clear what the size criteria are though.

It seems pretty heavy handed to me and it is not clear to me how it will solve more problems than it will create. I am still looking into it.

I don't have any affiliation with anyone or anything associated with NAIS, and as of yet, other than dogs, I have no animals at the farm. I am planning on chickens, goats, and horses so it will affect me in some way. I tend to favor less government than more....

I urge everyone to read as much as they can on both sides of the argument before making a final conclusion.

Charley

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paul

11-03-2006 01:02:38




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 Re: NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed in reply to CharleyFarmall, 11-02-2006 11:29:27  
Want to add in the dust control laws from EPA that will soon be passed?

--->Paul



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sammy the RED

11-02-2006 19:57:59




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 Re: NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed in reply to CharleyFarmall, 11-02-2006 11:29:27  
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Here in Michigan all cattle must be tagged by March 2007.



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Ol Chief

11-02-2006 19:04:23




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 Re: NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed in reply to CharleyFarmall, 11-02-2006 11:29:27  
To ALL HANDS;Go to Tractor Supply and purchase a November copy of ACRES U.S.A. There is a three page spread covering this madness.For example;USDA outlook plans to exterminate all suseptable animals within a 10 KM radius of any animal found to have hoof and mouth disease.Where is the science? Should we use this same practice if a human being is found with an communecable disease? Ten KM radius, equals a circle approx.twelve across. Any volunteers to join this folly? Think of what happened in England. Also what USDA has done to sheep and sheep farmers right here in U S A ! You can follow this issue in Acres U S A .By the way, how many of us remember the USDA action on Bangs Disease.To my knowledge the never acknowledged nor informed any of us that this disease is caused by a shortage of magnesium and is curable.Iwonder if they even know this fact.I do rember that their Inspectors tramped thru manure in everybodys cow barns in quest of so called infected animals and then went to the next farm without disinfecting their boots .So much fo USDA scientific approach.Now why do they intend to exempt the big producers from to rules that govern the little guys? Think it over. Maybe, then rush to join up with this crazy plan. It sounds to me like more BIG CORPORATE control pushing out the small folks .Then we can register all of the wild animals guilty of being a danger to health.Go Think.

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RodInNS

11-02-2006 15:00:28




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 Re: NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed in reply to CharleyFarmall, 11-02-2006 11:29:27  
You're just a few years behind us up here in the Great White North. We've had NLID (National Livestock ID) now for several years. They've got it down now that every animal must be tagged with a Radio Frequency ID (RFID)tag. If it changes hands, there's paperwork and a fee. If it's not tagged, you just plain can't sell it.... or at least get caught sellig it.... It's that simple. Supposed to be about food security, traceability, yada, yada, yada.... It's about money and control. Period.

The worst part is that here in Nova Scotia, it's been decided that a "producer organization" will collect a "levy" for "promotion and research purposes, for the betterment of the industry". This is largely being driven by a few producers pining to have a new "structure" rather than an old useless association near death and bankruptcy. So, to do this you go to government with your old organization and ask to hold a plebicite to form this new organization with it's powers and controls. Your necessary vote is not achieved, but then you go to cabinet and get approval for it anyway because it's for the betterment of the industry, and you and the government do know better! That's how things get done! To hell with what the majority of producers want.

Give it time. These are the first steps. You'll catch up to the forward thinkers up here.... Unless you're able to get it stoped. Good luck.

Rod

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JK-NY

11-02-2006 17:37:54




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 Re: NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed in reply to RodInNS, 11-02-2006 15:00:28  
I'm glad you shared some info on the Canadian version of NAIS. there are some people for it and some dead set against it but with worries about mad cow , bird flu etc one could almost see this coming. I wonder if there will be a national Country of origin labelling law used in conjunction with this , or will it just add another burden to domestic producers . I think one negative effect will be it will cut down on the number of smaller/part time producers as well as people who keep horses/livestock for personal and/or hobby use due to the recordkeeping(red tape ).

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RodInNS

11-02-2006 18:46:38




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 Re: NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed in reply to JK-NY, 11-02-2006 17:37:54  
The system has been trotted out on display here recently with BSE cases. They find a new case somewhere. All the progeny are rounded up from all points yonder, sent to the furnace, and the system is shown to work. It does have it's points for tracing things. The problem is that that's not what they want to trace....
A few months ago we get a knock on the door one morning at breakfast. It's an inspector from Agriculture and Agrifood Canada. He's got a problem. He's tracing a trailer load of bob calves. Our calf was one of 80 on a load. Our calf was sold at an auction a few weeks before. He's here to actually verify that we had shipped the calf, what we were paid and so on. Seems our calf sold for 180 bucks or something at the local sale; was sold to a drover. Drover buys 79 other calves at that sale. All those calves proceed to another sale the next day in another province. Our calf plum disappears from the face of the earth.... However... the drover still arives with 80 calves at this sale. Except one has a local tag... Local calves bring a lot more money because they haven't spent the best part of 2 days on a truck. Ours was a "good" calf. Seems he got new jewlry and sold for 300+ the next day. Needless to say the drover has some explaining to do as to where he disposed of that calf, where he acquired this one, and so on. He's got some major fines coming to him. All the damn inspector could glow about was that he figured it out. He found the calf. The system worked. This man drove 4000 miles across the country, stayed in untold motels as he interview the operators of 80 farms spread over 3 or 4 provinces. Imagine what he spent. He caught the crook. Some poor bugger trying to make a living, and he saw a chance to make a few bucks... and took it. That's what this damn system is all about. Control.

As far as the small part timers are concerned... they're just about gone now. They're not making anything. Prices have been in the tank since BSE hit. They can't afford to keep doing it, and now the government just wants more. These tags alone are costing 5 bucks a head now. Sheep are heading down the same road. The tags cost the same, and that's a far greater percentage of what we're getting for one of them than a cow. It's not just the small part timers that are getting disgusted. I've talked to some larger operators arond here who've got millions tied up in their operations, and they're up against it in much the same way. At one time they were big, and they made the rules. That's not the case anymore. These things are all about control, control, control, and NOBODY will gain any real benifit. That's the sad part.

Rod

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Bus Driver

11-02-2006 13:54:30




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 Re: NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed in reply to CharleyFarmall, 11-02-2006 11:29:27  
It sure will create lots of new government jobs- to be paid from taxes or from fees from those forced to participate in the program.



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hay

11-02-2006 12:09:09




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 Re: NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed in reply to CharleyFarmall, 11-02-2006 11:29:27  
some states already have legislation passed concerning the NAIS. it's just a matter of time before ALL animals will be registered. i hate this stupid plan as much as most folks and have contacted my rep to let him know about it. thankfully, he is a farmer/rancher and is supposedly totally against NAIS also. we will just have to wait and see if he 'caves in' with the rest of the politicians. the whole program, IMO, is all about money. if the animals are registered and tracked, it will be easy for the states and counties to levy and collect a 'animal tax'. it's just more snooping by our government.

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Harley

11-02-2006 13:18:13




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 Re: NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed in reply to hay, 11-02-2006 12:09:09  
This is really gonna break me up. I just don't see how it is going to be possible for me to physically tag all my critters. I got 4 hives, and I don't think I can get 'em all to sit still while I tag their little ears. Gonna be a tough job. Harley



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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

11-02-2006 17:47:19




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 Re: NAIS: Animal Tracking Reviewed in reply to Harley, 11-02-2006 13:18:13  
Harley make sure to store your NAIS records in one of your vacant hives. When the inspector comes calling he'll have to figure which one it is.



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