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PhilcaseinWPa

10-25-2006 07:06:21

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Hi guys,

Like the post yesterday I have an old 2 story wagonshed, corncrib on my farm. We use it now for a vegetable stand but the building is in pretty bad shape in some areas. I know it would be cheaper to have someone remove it and build new but the building has a certain nostalgic value. The structural problem is on one side. It was built in 1897, post and beam, corncrib on 1 side, granery on second floor, ~20' X 30'. It has large 10" X 10" rough cut beams on each side and the rest of the building is built on top of these. These beams are supported on stone pillars. Several years ago I had to have the stone pillars on the road side replaced with block because they were leaning so bad. Now the other side is leaning also and the beam there is rotting out. The rest of the beams and posts are very solid. the siding needs to be replaced. The roof is slate. This building is literally right on the side of the road, maybe even in part of the road right of way and makes a dangerous blind spot to pull out onto the road from. So my options seem to be try to sell the building and build new. Try to fix it where it is and hope we don't have any road accidents, or have the building moved. All these will be expensive but I have to do something. My preference is to move the building after fixing it structurally, cover it with osb, insulate and then use the old siding over the osb to keep the "rustic" look. My pocketbook says try to sell it and build new to suit my needs better. So this isn't a post asking for advice as much as just puting my options in writing and asking for opinions.

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Bill in NorthCentral PA

10-25-2006 18:00:29

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Re: OT Corncrib revisited in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-25-2006 07:06:21

Zoning approvals, codes, about a lift of 2x4x16's and move it over to where you want it. Really, these things aren't very heavy. When I did mine, I learned alot. The second floor is attached to the first floor via the exterior walls (and more). Lift the second floor with cribbing and beams and the first floor goes along for the ride, swinging in the breeze. Set it down on the tnew foundation and enjoy. Alot of work, but not overly precision and it feels good to save an 1800's barn.

Hope all goes well.

Bill

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PhilcaseinWPa

10-25-2006 11:49:31

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Re: OT Corncrib revisited in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-25-2006 07:06:21

Thanks for the replies guys.
If I moved it I would go diagonally to the right from where it sits now. It would then be about 40' off the road and 30' back from the driveway. A few years ago a contractor suggested moving it with a crane. I'm afraid it might collapse under that stress. He even stopped and talked to a crane operator at on of the industrial construction sites around here. $1000.00 set in fee + what ever time involved. The Amish gave me a bid to fix it where it is and reside with new hemlock ~ $10K or dismantle, move where ever I wanted it and put it back up but with 8/12 trusses and shingle roof & new siding ~ $17-18K. I'm not real concerned with historical value but like the rustic look. Everyone in the family has a different idea. Maybe I should just charge people to watch it fall or maybe since Pennsylvania is so gungho for gambling and slots I could set up a pool and sell tickets @ $20 a shot to see who can guess closest to when it will fall. Winner gets half the take, I use the rest to build my new building. LOL Phil

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VADAVE

10-25-2006 08:54:20

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Re: OT Corncrib revisited in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-25-2006 07:06:21

You know Phil it might not be that bad to move.
Looks like the other side of the road isn't exactly level, how level is the side the bldg is on?
Friend of mine in Alleganey County, Md moved a bldg like that. He atached the posts to telephone poles then set everything on telephone poles and hooked to it with a tractor (Oliver 1855) moved it. Slowly.

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RustyFarmall

10-25-2006 08:51:01

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Re: OT Corncrib revisited in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-25-2006 07:06:21

There are folks out there that would probably pay good money for that old post and beam building. They will dismantle it piece by piece, label each part, and then reconstruct the building on a site of their choosing, or they may just carefully salvage the best parts and use those parts in a restoration of another building. If you stabilize the building, move it to a better location, and then cover it all up with modern materials, the historic value will have been lost. You need to contact a museum or historical society in your area and see what happens.

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ChrisLSD

10-25-2006 07:59:45

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Re: OT Corncrib revisited in reply to PhilcaseinWPa, 10-25-2006 07:06:21

Something you may not have thought of - I see in your photo your bldg sits very close to what looks a road....
As a lnad Surveyor who sees a lot of this - are there new bldg restrictions placed by your governing body?
I have seen where people tear a building down then the county setback rules prohibit any new building being erected.....

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Mike (WA)

10-25-2006 08:07:36

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Re: OT Corncrib revisited in reply to ChrisLSD, 10-25-2006 07:59:45

Most jurisdictions will work with you if the result will be the elimination of a hazard (blind spot when pulling out on the road). But you surely will want to check with building dept. before you do anything. My personal preference would be to move and rehab the building- but be sure to paint the OSB black or very dark brown before putting the boards back on, or it will really look cheesy. BTDT.

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