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Temporary movable elecric fencing

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CB in central N

10-23-2006 08:08:59




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Brought on by the other post about electric fences... I apologize in advance, I am new to eletric fencing. My pastures (beef cattle) are fenced in with non-electrified woven wire fence. I do not want to electrify the whole thing but would like to do rotational grazing (grass-fed beef operation). I have seen advertised fence controllers designed just for that - they will power about a mile or two of fence and run on D-batteries or a car battery. I can see stringing a single strand or a ribbon of fence across the pasture with one of these and just moving it up as the cows graze off the section. My question is: how do you ground it? I can"t see actually driving rods every time I move my temp. line, especially if you have to use more than one. Is the ground somehow incorporated into this controller? It does look like you can actually stick one of these units in the ground on a shaft provided with it.

Thanks in advance for the help.

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hayray

10-23-2006 10:55:58




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 Re: Temporary movable elecric fencing in reply to CB in central NY, 10-23-2006 08:08:59  
I use temporary fence alot and I agree with Cowman, you need a real good ground and extra ground rods on a permanent location so the charger is always well grounded with changing moisture conditions, I have seen chargers where you needed to put 11 rods in to make it work right. I also would forget the ribbon fence and use poly wire instead. The ribbon fence has to be spliced together with a joiner to keep the ends from twisting together and burning up and shorting out the system, not very practical. The battery powered chargers and the solar chargers I have never seen hold up to the standards of the 110 and the 220's. Also, buy good polywire, don't go to the local co-op or Tractor Supply and buy that crap, it will end up tearing apart and breaking in several places after hanging for a month. The good stuff, I buy Ghallager brand fence out of New Zealand, and it last a good 6 years and is great stuff, I have a local dealer so that helps me out. I also use the push in steel rod post with a fiberglass pig tail, they last for years as oppossed to the plastic ones, and I use the 2 inch fiberglass post and strain insulators for corners.

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Coloken

10-23-2006 10:30:28




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 Re: Temporary movable elecric fencing in reply to CB in central NY, 10-23-2006 08:08:59  
Their making it way too complicated. Push a rod a foot ot two into the groung. If it is real dry, pour some water around it. If you are using steel posts, use one of them with a good connection. As far as the induced voltage to a neibours wire in a previous post---just have him groumd it every now and them, like maybe every few posts.



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nballen

10-23-2006 10:29:03




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 Re: Temporary movable elecric fencing in reply to CB in central NY, 10-23-2006 08:08:59  
I'm with Cowman on this one.

Do you need to clear out all the fencing to mow or spread manure? If not, just install "permanent" temporary fence and go with it.

And if you only want part of the fence hot, add a "dead end loop" near where you connect the handle, and hook the divider to the "dead end loop" to turn off that divider.

Questions?

Nathaniel



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old

10-23-2006 09:04:16




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 Re: Temporary movable elecric fencing in reply to CB in central NY, 10-23-2006 08:08:59  
Use one of the fence posts to ground it. I have grounded more then one useing the part of the fence that isn't hot, that way if an animal pushs to hard on the eletic part and doesn't get zapped it does whan it pushes the eletic part close to the nonhot part. Of course it can also be shorted out that way also but so far I haven't had that problem

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Nebraska Cowman

10-23-2006 08:55:32




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 Re: Temporary movable elecric fencing in reply to CB in central NY, 10-23-2006 08:08:59  
I am not sure about Lee's advice. Those new fencers will burn themselves up it not well grounded. What about running a hot feeder line along the edge of the field and then tying to it each time instead of moving the controler?



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mile0001

10-23-2006 12:08:10




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 Re: Temporary movable elecric fencing in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 10-23-2006 08:55:32  
No, Lee is right, you can do it that way. I was just reading about setting up electric fences and they described that option. Thought it was odd myself, but they say it works, never done it myself though.



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Lee in MN

10-23-2006 08:44:53




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 Re: Temporary movable elecric fencing in reply to CB in central NY, 10-23-2006 08:08:59  
You can run a double wire, about 2" apart. Use the top wire as a 'hot' and the bottom wire as the ground connected to the ground pole on your fencer. Animals need to touch both wires to get a shock. I've used this system for years here in central MN since the ground often freezes 6 ft deep and grounding temporary fence can be an issue. You can buy connections to go on your fence that support a double wire system (check out the Country Supply catalog).

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Allan In NE

10-23-2006 11:33:55




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 Re: Temporary movable elecric fencing in reply to Lee in MN, 10-23-2006 08:44:53  
Huh?

You're doubling your fence needlessly. Ya only need one wire.

Critter has to be standing on the ground tho. :>)

Allan



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Nebraska Cowman

10-23-2006 16:03:04




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 Re: Temporary movable elecric fencing in reply to Allan In NE, 10-23-2006 11:33:55  
Don't knock it too hard Allan. It's real efective for smaller critters like calves. Also helps in dry conditions. And barb wire makes the best electric fence. I tryed some of that poly wire, (I call it baler twine fence) And in dry conditions those cows with their winter hair tended to duck under it.



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