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How big a machine shed?

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Dan-IA

10-17-2006 11:01:59




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We're talking about putting up a machine shed. But in the interest of saving $$$ on labor, we figured we'd want to build it ourselves. Additionally, since this may be an ongoing job over the next decade, we figure that we want to know the proper height and width in advance (for ordering posts and trusses) but we figure we can always add to the length.
Now, it would appear that our smokestack on the 1086 and the top of the graintank-loading-elevator on our 550 Massey come in at around 12'6" or so, so for what we have now, 13 feet to the bottom edge of the roof is sufficient. But I'm wanting room for expansion.

So how tall are the more modern combines and tractors? We want to have enough clearance to handle those too, without digging out the floor later.

So, we're thinking about 30 feet wide or so, and 13 feet from the ground to the top of the door or bottom edge of the roof. Are these figures unreasonable?

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Dale in IN

10-18-2006 07:16:23




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
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You mean like this? This is my new antique tractor storage shed. It is 48*72, 14' to the square. One 20*12 overhead door on each end. And 3 10*10 overhead doors on the side. This was taken at the end of the 3rd day. The carpenters have now worked on it 8 days.It now has the cement floor poored and most of the siding on.Heavy rains have caused serval days delay for we can not get the cement trucks in Due to soft ground. More pictures to follow when finished.

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Dachshund

10-18-2006 05:27:51




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
Just remember - what ever size you build it - it will be to small! I'm in the process of starting a 28x60 main barn, with a 13' leanto on one side. It's not the biggest, but it will have to do. I am using used stuff, for the most part. I'll have about $1000 into it, when I'm done. Can't see putting out $20,000, $30,000 or more for a barn/shed.



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paul

10-17-2006 20:58:05




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
> So, we're thinking about 30 feet wide or so, and 13 feet from the ground to the top of the door or bottom edge of the roof. Are these figures unreasonable?

Totally & completely unreasonable.

You need a 14 foot high door, 16 foot high ceiling then - laws of physics. It would be better to have a 16 foot high door, but how much does one spend..... .. ;)

You need a door 22 feet wide, a building 30 feet wide????? What good is that? Can't fit a door on it. Pointless. You are building a tunnel, not a shed. If you have a 22 foot door (for the common 20 foot bean head/ 8 row planter) and drive in, you want some room on each side to put a corn head, or the gravity wagons, or a tractor.... So you wan it 22 feet wide for the door path, plus 12 feet on each side to park stuff out of the way - or something near 46 feet wide. This gives you the endwall to put the doors on to close up the 22 foot door.

Plan some on paper, figure how to use your square footage. 30 foot wide is just useless. A real waste of space.

imho - it's easy for me to spend your money. :) You have to know what works for you. :)

I'm stuck with dad's 'big' machine shed. 16.5 foot wide door, 11.4 foot high. Got the concrete grooved for the wheels & the header cut out 2 inches to get the combine in. Too narrow. Just hard to do or go anywhere with it.

Don't limit yourself - save for another year if you have to, rather than build too small. Once it's there, you are stuck with it for 40 years.

--->Paul

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edchainsaw

10-17-2006 19:39:50




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
remember new combines ship with out those WHOPPER HOPPERS! and the combines are only leagal height with out them... so your going to need more than 14ft... our 2188 just does clear the door of our new shed... and the newer bigger machines wouldnt clear.

we purchased a shed off the neighbor when he quit assembling motor bikes for honda--- it is 60 x 140 and you know its full ( it only has 1 usable door though...)

oh if your putting congcreat in it... make sure its got footers on every pad.... this one is only 6yrs old and the pads are floating (because some poor water control)

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steelfronts

10-17-2006 18:12:54




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
To build a usable shed it must be fifty feet wide and have at least 16 foot side walls and at least 24 foot doors or I gaurantee you'll say I shoulda



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Nebraska Kirk

10-17-2006 16:54:11




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
Here is another option to consider

www.amsteelspan.com

I am not connected with them in any way. I heard Lou from Steelspan Buildings Inc. interviewed on the Derry Brownfield show a while back. As far as I am concerned, steel sounds like the way to go. Fast and easy to put together, easy to add on to at a later date, MUCH stronger (wind rating of 100-150mph. Yet the price is comparable with a pole shed.

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massey333

10-17-2006 17:23:33




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Nebraska Kirk, 10-17-2006 16:54:11  
Steel is the only way to go.The only thing wrong with those(curved roof)buildings is almost no way to have side doors.



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Nebraska Kirk

10-17-2006 20:47:24




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to massey333, 10-17-2006 17:23:33  
Steelspan Buildings make them with traditional straight sidewalls and a peaked roof too :-)



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massey333

10-17-2006 13:58:41




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
Yes,BUT it is your money and what you want to do in the future that matters.I have a 60X100X16 with 14X40 doors that only tractors and such will go in,The camper hits if not carefull.The other one is 40X80 with 18X25 doors in the side walls and it all the combine wants to go in HT. wise.The new one is going tobe either 18Ft.or more than likely 20Ft.high sidewall doors.Everybody may say I'am crazy but you NEVER built one tall or wide enough.

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MeAnthony

10-17-2006 13:26:07




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
16' is common size in framing lumber(assuming you're going with a 1' poured rat wall, with either pole barn style or residential style framing on top of it). I'd go 16' sidewalls, should be able to come up with a channel iron header to give adequate support without taking up wall height. Being on a gable end, the truss supports the weight anyway. As opposed to being on an eave side, where the wall is holding the roof up.

If necessary down the road, and it sounds like you plan on extending the length anyway, you can increase wall height as needed.

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Bill in NorthCentral Pa

10-17-2006 12:48:37




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
For the width, I'd sketch out a plan of travel to get your equipment in and out of the building on paper. Up to 40' seems to be most economical with wood framing. For the door height, based on doors in the endwall, it would depend on your frost depth, and/or local codes and winds. Around here I use 40" to 48" (PA) and would base my building on standard posts if possible. If you need 18' posts, the price per foot is about the same for 20', versus 16' posts which are quite a bit less the the 18' footage rate. The door height should be the same as the sidewall height, with the sliding door hung on the truss bottom chord. I would think about double doors with good door hardware. It will often allow for a little smaller building because you can work more parking spaces inside with less room for "driveways."

Good luck.

Bill

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Gerald J.

10-17-2006 12:31:46




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
You can't have a 13' eave and a 13' door at the same time. The truss to post connection takes at least a foot at the top of the wall and if you have that door in the side wall, it may take a 2' tall wooden beam to hold the roof up.

Three years ago I went around getting bids and my drawing with specifications clearly said 14' door height but virtually every salesman quoted a 14' eave until I kicked his posterior pointing out I really wanted 14' to clear the top of a fifth wheel trailer or a combine.

Road obstacles like cable TV and telephone only have to give 14' so machinery may not grow much taller and still move, though I've seen discussion on other forums that point out it is nice to have the trusses high enough to allow folding up the combine bin extensions or to fold a field cultivator or vertical fold planter inside which can need to move the bottoms of the trusses up to 16 or 18' above the floor. Or to have room to work on the combine cab roof from the outside.

Gerald J.

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VADAVE

10-17-2006 12:02:45




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
I did 16 foot high and 16 foot wide doors. Building is 40 foot wide and 138 foot long. Took 30 foot off one end for a shop leaving 108 foot for machinery. Now I find it's high enough but it's full. AND not everything will fit through 16 foot door. A 13 foot grain platform just barely goes in, a 4 row corn planter will fit but a 6 row won't. I need another building! And i need a 20 foot door. Also the next one will be 50 foot wide--less wasted space.

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Tom from Ontario

10-17-2006 12:00:20




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
Make the door height road legal height plus two feet. Also the width of your widest machine plus two feet and put up guard posts to protect the doors. In the same process myself.



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Nebraska Cowman

10-17-2006 11:48:17




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
If I were building for big tractors and combines I would double that width. You are gonna want at least a 24 ft door.



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jmixigo

10-17-2006 11:26:56




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
You usually end up with less waste if yore measurments are divisible by 4. Like 28 or 32 wide. You can't make it too big cause if its the same size as the Astro Dome you'll fill it up anyways. And I try to make clearance 14 foot, so you can clear a 13'6" semi if you ever need to even if you gravel the floor later on.
If you gone use prefabbed trusses ALL WAYS have em on site before you set the second wall. His measurements and yore measuring is all well an good, but if some body screws up then life is easier when a minor adjustment can take care of things.
BTDT

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RustyFarmall

10-17-2006 11:25:41




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 Re: How big a machine shed? in reply to Dan-IA, 10-17-2006 11:01:59  
If I were planning on putting the combine inside, I would go with a minimum of 14'.



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