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I am P.O.d.

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coflyboy

10-05-2006 18:45:36




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Bought a shiny new 3500 Dodge/Cummins to pull my RV. Got the extended warranty. All so that I would not have trouble when wife and I went to south Texas in the winter to enjoy our retirement.

Today the Dodge all but quit. Limped into the Dodge dealer. Long story short; someone sold me bad diesel. The Dodge folks tested it and found it was some water based liquid.

Warrantee doesn't cover bad fuel. Not only was the filter plugged but the transfer pump was ruined. Dodge graciously agreed to warranty the pump.

Total cost to me, not including the pump, $300-$400 after flushing the fuel tank and all the testing and repairs.

My point: Watch where you buy your fuel!!!!

I suppose you all know this but it sure was a bitter lesson for me. Thanks for letting me unload. Have a good day!!!!!

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KIP in MX

10-06-2006 09:27:34




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to coflyboy, 10-05-2006 18:45:36  
We use a product called Kolor Kut to do a quick check for water in our Jet-A fuel. It comes in a tube and you just sqeeze some onto a tongue deppresor and stick in you fuel sample. If there is any water, it changes color. We do this check before tanker pumps into our tanks and in fuel samples taken from helicopters every morning.



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Leland

10-06-2006 06:20:31




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to coflyboy, 10-05-2006 18:45:36  
Invest in a fuel seperator it saved my butt more than once out on the road you can get crappy fuel anywere .



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T_Bone

10-06-2006 05:40:38




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to coflyboy, 10-05-2006 18:45:36  
Hi coflyboy,

I buy my fuel from a national chain store, 99% from Flying J, and after 5 yrs I have not had any water from any of my tests.

If your buying from many different fuel sources then you need to pull a sample after every refill and test for water content. That's why they put the filter drain on for.

Just pull a fuel sample in a glass jar and let sit for 15min. If #2D contains more than 1000ppm of water then you will see water in the bottom of the test jar.

Clean #2D contains 500ppm of water that stays in suspension with-in the fuel.

You also can buy a aux fuel tank, fuel that tank only, then pump the aux tank into the main tank thru a 2micron filter.

This is my set-up but I filter thru a 10micron into a 2micron then into my main tank where it's again filtered with the factory filter. I still only try to buy Flying J fuel as there very consistant in quality and cleanness.

T_Bone

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dej(JED)

10-06-2006 05:09:09




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to coflyboy, 10-05-2006 18:45:36  
I run a fuels testing lab here in Pa. and I am impressed with the comments you guys are making.
You are right on the money. We have people who do quality checks for local gasoline and fuel stations. Water in tank bottoms is the biggest problem and yes , don't fuel while a tanker is unloading. Also don't fuel if the pump is running slow , it means that the filter is near clogged and when they blow through, you will get the junk.

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Paid Off

10-06-2006 05:00:45




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to coflyboy, 10-05-2006 18:45:36  
Always buy your fuel at the same place when you are at home. When on the road always go where where the big trucks go. You know if one big rig gets bad fuel everyone will know. Keep all of your fuel tickets and record the mileage on them. Our local BP station had a problem with gasoline a few months ago and they paid for the repairs on the cars that stalled.



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IH2444

10-06-2006 04:53:29




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to coflyboy, 10-05-2006 18:45:36  
Much of the bad fuel comes for the buffer zone of pipeline transported fuel. ie Gas will be pumped thru the line and then diesel. There is a zone in the middle where the gas and diesel are mixed. It gets sold to someone.....
Nobody seems to keep an eye on our fuel suppliers for quality either. I know a guy that has pumps and said no one except his distributor has been by checking for over 4 years.

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jmixigo

10-05-2006 20:27:29




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to coflyboy, 10-05-2006 18:45:36  
Confucious say " better peed off than peed on".
Sorry, I couldn't help that.
Never buy fuel when a tanker is unloading or jus pulling out of the station, cause all that water on the bottom of ALL storage tanks jus got stirred up real good. Wait till it settles to make yo purchase.



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Steve From Arkansa

10-05-2006 19:03:28




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to coflyboy, 10-05-2006 18:45:36  
It seems there is still a problem in that how do you watch where you buy fuel. Several people around here had diesel engines ruined from bad fuel.I think it was determined it had gas or some other product in it. This was from a local distributor that has been in the buiness for many years. He says it came from where he got the fuel. No one had any problems prior to this one time. Maybe he did just get a bad load from his supplier, but that sure does not make these guys any happier. I guess if a refinery is going to unload bad stuff on purpose or by mistake, we are going to end up with it.

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Carl NY

10-05-2006 18:56:55




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to coflyboy, 10-05-2006 18:45:36  
Yes, be very selective where you buy diesel fuel. I try to buy at the larger truck stops because they have a more frequent turn over for fresh fuel. The smaller stations that sell more gas than diesel may have older supplies of diesel & have a greater chance of contamination.



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Way Up Here

10-05-2006 18:50:52




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to coflyboy, 10-05-2006 18:45:36  
The "Dodge Folks Tested It"? Just where did they test it? And what was done in the test? That alone would raise a red flag for me. It's the nature of any beast to blame someone else .... I would imagine that the fuel supply company might have some other interpretation of who is to blame. Call me a doubting Thomas if you wish but vehicle fuel systems (including pumps on Cummins diesels) have been known to fail. I tend to be a bit suspicious, anyways good luck with the winter in Texas.

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coflyboy

10-05-2006 19:07:21




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 Re: I am P.O.d. in reply to Way Up Here, 10-05-2006 18:50:52  
They had a hydrometer type device which had markings on the side which they showed me, and it indicated the fluid was something other than diesel. They stated they believed it was a water based liquid. Admittedly, they could have gotten the liquid from another source but I don't think so. I've dealt with these folks for forty years and have no reason to think they would be dishonest, especially over a small item such as this.

The fuel filter had been changed 9000 miles before.

Thanks for the response, you could be right.

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