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Ford 9N Oil Filter...Is it supposed to have one?

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Steve Bowling

10-05-2006 13:01:51




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I recently inherited a 1941 Ford 9N that came with a house I bought. The previous owner informed me that the 1941 9N did not have an oil filter. Is this true? I have seen some 9N pictures online and there appears to be a canister in between the oil cap and the starter. Could this be an oil filter, is it original or a retrofit? My tractor has an empty spot there but it looks like something could have been there at one time.

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Tim...Ok

10-06-2006 04:51:35




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 Re: Ford 9N Oil Filter...Is it supposed to have on in reply to Steve Bowling, 10-05-2006 13:01:51  
Steve,yes it should have one on it..I have an extra housing with the lines if your interested... my email is open

Tim



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8N'r

10-05-2006 13:21:36




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 Re: Ford 9N Oil Filter...Is it supposed to have on in reply to Steve Bowling, 10-05-2006 13:01:51  
Steve--there is a filter that is supposed to be on your N tractor. It is part # APN6731B and you can see what it looks like by clicking on to tractor parts in the upper left hand corner of this site.---Tim (WI)



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Steve Bowling

10-05-2006 13:27:34




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 Re: Ford 9N Oil Filter...Is it supposed to have on in reply to 8N'r, 10-05-2006 13:21:36  
Thanks Tim. I saw that filter/part # associated with the 9N, which led me to ask my question. My tractor does not have a canister for the oil filter to go in. I'm wondering if it is a must to have an oil filter on the 1941 9N. One person replied and said that it might be a "pass through". I'm not sure exactly what that means, but perhaps it's just a "light filtering" process that is not absolutely necessary. I just don't know...

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Jon Hagen

10-05-2006 13:09:20




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 Re: Ford 9N Oil Filter...Is it supposed to have on in reply to Steve Bowling, 10-05-2006 13:01:51  
It is very possible that an oil filter was an extra cost option like it was on many cars even into the early 50's I seem to remember the filters on those little Fors's were a simple "bypass" filter.



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Steve Bowling

10-05-2006 13:28:53




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 Re: Ford 9N Oil Filter...Is it supposed to have on in reply to Jon Hagen, 10-05-2006 13:09:20  
Thanks for the reply Jon. Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "bypass" filter?



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Jon Hagen

10-05-2006 13:55:50




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 Re: Ford 9N Oil Filter...Is it supposed to have on in reply to Steve Bowling, 10-05-2006 13:28:53  
A bypass filter connects to a main oil gallery of the engine and bleeds off aprox 10% of the oil supply and runs it through a very tight filter that does a good job of removing even the very tiny particles from the oil,then returns it to the oil pan. The other 90% of the oil supply goes to the engine bearings unfiltered.

Most modern engines have "full flow" oil filters that filter 100% of the oil from the oil pump that goes to the engine bearings. Because of the large volume of oil that must be filtered,the "full flow" filter is not as "tight" and will not filter out the smallest particles in the oil. Many large diesel engines have the best of both filter systems,as they have both full flow and bypass filters installed on the same engine.

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Gerald J.

10-05-2006 13:38:40




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 Re: Ford 9N Oil Filter...Is it supposed to have on in reply to Steve Bowling, 10-05-2006 13:28:53  
As I remember the filter on the 8N I had, it was made by a filter maker and like the filter on the Continental engine in my standby generator is plumbed into the engine with steel tubing and standard fittings. Maybe a Fram C3 filter housing. Check a GOOD filter catalog (not at walmart) and you should still see the filter housing is available.

A bypass filter only sees the oil that is released from the pressure lines by the oil pressure regulator valve. The main oil flow goes directly from the pump to the bearings. The excess goes to the bypass filter. Its not as good as a full flow filter that is the modern standard, but it was much easier to retrofit to an engine and was better than no filter at all.

Gerald J.

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Bob

10-06-2006 00:41:26




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 Re: Ford 9N Oil Filter...Is it supposed to have on in reply to Gerald J., 10-05-2006 13:38:40  
Gerald, that's 100% bullpuckey!!!

Where did you get an idea like that???

The "N" Ford's oil pressure regulator valve, located at the front of the engine

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dumps any excess oil into the timing gear area, where it returns to the crankcase.

The bypass filter is fed oil from the main oil gallery at the REAR of the engine, and a simple (tiny) oriface limits flow OUT of the filter canister, so that only a small amount of oil flows through the filter assembly, so as no to drop the engine's oil pressure too much.

AFAIK, ALL the 9N's, 2N's and 8N's would have had oil filters, from the factory.

Originally, the filtered oil was simply dumped into the crankcase. At some point, a change was made where the return oil from the filter was piped to the other side (RH) of the engine, where it was returned to the crankcase through the governor, lubing it on the way.

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diesel4

10-05-2006 13:06:33




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 Re: Ford 9N Oil Filter...Is it supposed to have on in reply to Steve Bowling, 10-05-2006 13:01:51  
Could be true alot of tractors with filters came out in the early '50's late 40's. But if you see a hole there where it looks like it could have been then I would go to the local dealer and ask them just in case. Because i no it's better to be safe than sorry .



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