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Tex Aggie

10-04-2006 10:16:23

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It seems to me over the last several years that this website has become more predominantly frequented by wannabe farmers. There is seldom good farming talk about things that sometimes aren't just like DUH! Look at the Crop talk forum. Come on. I'm not saying that all things aren't legit and that there aren't legitimate farmers on here. There just seems to be a lot of people with one tractor who suddenly qualify.

my rant and 2 cents.

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IHnut

10-05-2006 19:05:25

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I have 4 acres, 7 chickens, 3 dogs, 1 cat, 3 riding mowers, 2 roto tillers, 1 log spliter, 2 trailers, 2 barns, 1 wife, 5 kids, 7 grand kids, 1 job, and 3 tractors, (which is why I'm on this site in the first place!) do I qualify to be a farmer??
Gee I duno.
We are all here to talk tractors not farming (but it IS welcome) on this site, it sounds like you need help, but I think your on the wrong web site.

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granger

10-05-2006 11:42:35

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I didn't know that this was a "FARMERS" website/forum. The name on the upper left hand corner of each webpage stats that it is an ANTIQUE TRACTOR website!! Don't worry about what people have to say on the forum, ITS THERE OPINION! If you don't like it, don't read it. Better yet, if you were a "real" farmer, you should be outside instead of on this website!

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doogdoog

10-04-2006 19:40:50

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

Aloha, I don't have a farm (only small garden in back of house) or own a tractor but I think that I have a lot in common with a farmer.
1)Own a forklift. LOL 2)Fabricated a rop for a hop toe (back hoe).
3)Trouble shooted and repaired diesel engines.
4)Worked on gas engines.
5)Own generators
6)Have a small well equipped machine shop.
7)Own arc welder, oxy-acet, tig, plasma cutter.
8)Have mucho tools.
9)Have two dogs.
10)etc, etc.
I think that if this forum allows only genuine farmers and no one else, it would lose a multitude of information from someone other than a farmer that can contribute.I could go on and on but I think I made my point. I like to lurk here to see all the great pictures and fixes and maybe sometimes contribute something of my own. This is a great site!

Mahalo,
doogdoog

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paul

10-04-2006 19:23:02

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

Never were a lot of farm talk around here. Used to be more focused on tractors & their implements tho. Last 2 years or so has kinda branched out into 'other' talk. Several regulars wandered off about that time.

Things change. No biggie.

I kinda like the farming practices section, that was also added about 2 years ago.

--->Paul

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hayray

10-04-2006 17:56:55

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I got news for you - a farm can have any size or piece of land and any number of tractors or not even have one. It always cracks me up how some people who have been born into and are from some of those farms that recieve those huge goverment subsidies feel as though there is a patent on farming and that unlike other business new people are not accepted into it. Time to readjust your thinking and keep up with the times.

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Ohio Mike

10-04-2006 17:53:44

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

Hey Tex, first of all the forum is TRACTOR TALK not FARMER TALK and I like the forum myself.Lot of farmers on here, some retired, some still at it. With the way things are today most small farmers have to work a job off the farm to keep things going. So before you try to tell everyone who is or isn't a real farmer maybe you should find out what makes a real farmer. As for the crack about someone with just one tractor not being a farmer, my dad was a farmer all his life and for many years all he owned was ONE tractor. Many farmers started that way because they was being careful with what money they had. Ten tractors and ten thousand acres don't make a farmer, it's the person and the heart of the person that makes a farmer. I no longer farm or live on a farm but I guess YOU would say I'm a farmer cause I have five tractors and my back yard is fenced in. The simple truth is I will always be a farmer because of my heritage.

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landlord7012

10-04-2006 16:04:25

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I normally try to be non-contraversial BUT:

1) It's a TRACTOR website
2)I looked at Crop talk posts back to 9/23 and they are all crop related in some way (no, I suppose they aren't talking about bailing a gazillion acres of hay with half-a-dozen pcs of large equipment to feed umpteen thousand head of cattle).
3) Since when do you need to have a tractor or even need to "qualify" to be on this sight? It's a free country (which you made perfectly clear when you started bangin your gums together in this post!)and here I am!

There, that's my rant and 2 cents. I'd ask "how do you like me now?" but I really don't care! Have a nice day "Farmer Brown"!

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varmint

10-04-2006 15:35:28

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

Sounds like a personal problem to me

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MF Poor

10-04-2006 15:33:39

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I grew up on a farm. I farmed, albiet on a small scale and as what some people consider part-time farming, for most of my adult life. I have friends that did the same. I have friends that never grew so much as a tomato. They own tractors just to mow their grass. I live in the country. I know people who live in the middle of big cities, and still own tractors.

You know what? I'm not one bit BETTER or one bit WORSE than any of my friends. My next door neighbors dad, who farms over 2500 acres isn't a snob because he's a BTO compared to me.

For the life of me, I can't fathom why anyone would think this is a FARMERS ONLY website. Sure didn't hear that from Ms. Kim. And for thelife of me, I don't know why anyone would want it that way. This place is just fine the way it is.

This is a diverse world we live in. Just take a look around. We don't need to choose up sides and have a civil war based on where you live or what you do for a living. There's already enough issues dividing us.

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BillyinStoughton

10-04-2006 14:34:29

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I can't even believe I'm going to lower my self with a response to this. I've been lucky enough to grow up in some of the best soil of the upper midwest. My grandpa farmed, I worked on a farm till I went to school, and enjoy doing what I can do now that my dad runs grandpa's farm. Yeah, I probably pound more hay than some of these one tractor outfits, but what the h*ll does that mean? Everyone on this sight, above all else are friends...even though we might not be neighbors or even know what one anothe looks like.

It's like what grandpa use to say..."You can take the farm-boy off the farm, but you can't take the farm off the boy."

It's nothing more than that no matter what you make it. If this sight doesn't suit your tastes anymore...let your mouse lead you where it will.

Love Always,

Billy Manson
Stoughton, WI

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jlmtractor

10-04-2006 14:00:28

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

ok i guess i shouldnt be on here then cause all i do is raise a 2 acre garden, board horses, and running a landscape company also a hundred head of cattle. so while your stereotyping i guess now im a farmer and rancher wannabe and i shouldnt be on here. the thing about the stupid questions when the answers are duh well some people dont know and they dont deserve to be treated like crap cause they dont know.

if that was rude then i guess you were just as rude. my opinion Jlm

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Tex Aggie

10-04-2006 14:04:31

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to jlmtractor , 10-04-2006 14:00:28

are people really gonna whine and act like i was offending them personally because i asked a darn question?

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Leland

10-04-2006 16:58:03

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 14:04:31

Aggie A lot of people here live in glass houses or have paper butt holes and some act like the biggest babys on earth .don't worry about them bacause a lot are want to be's anyway .

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IH2444

10-04-2006 13:31:41

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I am a part time farmer, grew up in the country and went back to it. this is primarially a tractor.
Not "antiquefarmers.com"
There are other boards and we have a section specifically for farmers. We be tractor lovers here first and foremost.

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jubilee johnny

10-04-2006 13:12:57

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I guess I'm one of those "wanabees" you are talking about. I wanted to farm the family farm which was homesteaded by my great-grandfather, but it was sold out of the family. So, I did the next best thing for me. I got as many antique implements, tractors, truck from the family farm that I could and have been slowly restoring them. I like to see Allan's pictures because my family farm was near him in eastern Colorado. I loved the long days of summer till and wheat harvest, or the days of siphon tube irrigation. There were the hail storms too. I think the forum is what it says--TRACTOR TALK. Shouldn't have to be a farmer.

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HENRY E NC

10-04-2006 13:10:35

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I guess I have lived too long now. Im 75 and was born and raised on a farm 400 acres in Ohio. We had crops and about 100 acres of apples peaches pears cherrys grapes plums and so on. My childhood was working on the farm anf learning to plow and fit with horses. Had milk cows, pigs chickens etc. and I was the only steady hand on the farm from 42 to 45 while every one else was in the service or working in war plants. Finally when everyone came home I went to Purdue to learn to be a farmer. Louie Bromfield was my hero. Air Force came along and switched me from ag engineering to chemical and mechanical engineering which I followed until I coud get back to the farm in 1995. The moral is that even though some of us strayed we will always be farmers in our hearts so lay off the whining. You got to do what I wanted to do with your life,

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souNdguy

10-04-2006 12:51:21

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

My take is that as more big farms are going out of business.. you are getting land that is being subdivided, and some smaller farms are popping up... 'estate' farms.. mini farms.. hobby farms.. etc.

heck.. one of my pastures used to be part of a 100ac watermellon farm that went bust a decade ago, and then was chopped up and sold piece by piece. There are now a couple pastures, and a couple horse farms, and one place with cows. All smaller farm/ranch type operations.

In areas where land is scarce, 3ac and a tractor, and a garden and a big chicken pen makes you a farmer. Size is less realative than intent and disposition.

Soundguy

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VADAVE

10-04-2006 12:39:26

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

Tex I agree with you and will add my rant.
My family has owned the same two farms in Western Maryland since the Civil War--how many generations I'm not sure, but it a few. I bought my own place in '94 and to use the words of one of the posters it was almost "used up". I will say you do not fully understand farming and the decisions and commitments until it's your money and time. I am finally getting the fertility back where it should be and now am learning how to farm sustainablly. If you were to ask me right now if a person can farm for a living my answer would be to ask this question "Do you know any farmer that does not have any off farm income?" I know of none!
Inconsiderate people--there are enough "city slickers" and "farmers" that are inconsiderate to go around. Do I let neighbors on my place--yes as long as no hole show up in the buildings and doughnuts do not appear in the fields. I will say I have slowly been getting respect for the locals as they have watched my struggle to get this farm to produce and control the persistent weed problems, by myself (no help), and respect the the one thing that keeps people from destroying your farm.
Guess I'll quit ranting.

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Wannabee

10-04-2006 12:08:00

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I guess I am a Wannabee---my grandparents both had farms when I was younger and I spent lots of good times and have great memories of those farms, but never spent enough time their to learn about farming. Like a lot of "homeplaces", these farms are now subdivisions and only memories of days long gone. I wish it would have stayed in the family.

I was able to buy a "used up" piece of property about 10 years ago from a "real" farmer that could not make a go of it anymore. Next to my family, that old piece of dirt is my second love. I have added to it over the years and now have a sizeable chunk of ground that I leased out to the "real" farmers.

This year, the last of the 3rd generation farmers in my area sold out and chunked off his farm to capitalize on the value. There are now only 2 dairy farms left in our township. Gosh, I hate to see this happening.

Two years ago, I bought a used tractor and some implements. I have been "playing" farmer on a small part of the property. Food plots, garden, mowing the trails and helping the Amish plow the small pieces of these old farms that had once been in the same family for generations.

I have developed a deeper respect for people that make their living as farmers and value everything I have learned from them over the years. I believe I am still considered an "outsider" in my area even thought I have owned my property longer than some of my Amish neighbors. I don't know much about farming but want to keep learning.

I hope the experts on these forums don't give up helping us poor "developing" farmers. We can't learn a lot of this business from books.

Maybe with your help, we will someday be able to teach others.

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Sid

10-04-2006 12:02:21

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

"There is seldom good farming talk about things that sometimes aren't just like DUH! Look at the Crop talk forum. Come on." Ok let's look at Crop Talk. See the part that say "What to do with your tractor once you have it. Share info and ask questions about plowing techniques, discing, cultivating, mowing and more. Share your experiences with farming!" Seem to me like it is serving it's purpose anf folks are taking advantage of it.

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Alkay

10-04-2006 11:57:26

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I'm a part time farmer; as I need to have additional income to make ends meet. I come to this website to talk about tractors, as it is "Yesterday's Tractors"! If it was "Yesterday's Farmers" I wouldn't expect the majority of talk to be about tractors, but about farmers and farming. I enjoy the site just the way it is and look forward to it every day! Just my two cents worth.

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Matt Page

10-04-2006 11:29:40

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

Well now, it seems to me that population dynamics are none of our individual faults. I don't see many volumteers to reduce the population by one. Furthermore, how much sense would it make to have a forum for people who don't know anything about farming to get together and discuss farming? The more interest and discussion there is about farming, tractors, implements and techniques, the more people will know how to keep their families alive should our high standard of living ever turn South. No one is born knowing anything, you have to learn. If someone goes under without passing on usefull information, then that information is gone... -class of '96. and NO I'm not a farmer either.

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Dachshund

10-04-2006 11:27:56

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I didn't know that it was an exclusive club. I was born on a farm, raised on a farm and (after a stint in the USMC and a few years here and there) have lived on a farm most of my life. It doesn't matter if a guy farms 1 0r 1000 acres - I though farm folk were a little more helpful to others than than.

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Dave H (MI)

10-04-2006 11:26:51

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

Ummm....this IS an old tractor website, isn't it?
Soooo...wouldn't anyone with an old tractor be tending to hang here? Just wonderin if I missed something.

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Yugrotcart

10-04-2006 15:40:01

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Dave H (MI), 10-04-2006 11:26:51

Maybe I missed something too..... ....
One thing we all have in common is our tractor hobby. I have learnt alot from the people on this forum, and I am more then willing to pass on what I have learned.

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Jimmy King

10-04-2006 11:05:09

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I will be 65 next month, and started driving a B Farmall when I was about 7. I am not a super mechanic, but have farmed all my life except for seven years in the 60's. I quit farming in 1996, still own my 3 tractors. If I do have some know how to help some one with an old tractor I like to, but since I don't farm any more does that make me a wannabe farmer? Crops and tractor tech has changed so much in the last 10 years I have lost out.

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Jimmy King

10-04-2006 11:04:27

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I will be 65 next month, and started driving a B Farmall when I was about 7. I am not a super mechanic, but have farmed all my life except for seven years in the 60's. I quit farming in 1996, still own my 3 tractors. If I do have some know how to help some one with an old tractor I like to, but since I don't farm any more does that make me a wannabe farmer. Crops and tractor tech has changed so much in the last 10 years I have lost out.

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glennster

10-04-2006 11:02:07

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

i think its a good thing that the "suburbanites" express an interest in old farm equipment. they are saving many machine from the scrappers torch. there is a guy in our area that goes to all the farm auctions to buy whatever and cut it up for scrap. it is such a shame to see this old equipment gone forever. he gets mad because "them d*mn collectors are pricing him out of the market".

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IaGary

10-04-2006 10:55:49

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

I'm a 35 year veteran of farming. Full time now but had a job in town to help with putting food on the table when kids were at home.

I come to this site to enjoy my coffee in the morning.

I enjoy the company thats here, whoever they are or whatever their degree of farming is.

If I can help a newbee farmer so be it.
And there are others experienced in things I'm not to answer my questions.

If you don't like the company here you can find another site whoever you are.

Gary

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Nebraska Cowman

10-04-2006 10:49:26

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

What's "crop talk"? I guess some guys like the scent of the soil, but to me it just smells like dirt. I like to talk about old tractors. And if you only have one and don't know the first thing about it, that's fine by me. I'll help what I can.

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Jim.UT

10-04-2006 10:27:33

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:16:23

And just where do you propose that us wannabe's go for advice? The "few" legitimate farmers you refer to are a goldmine of information for the rest of us.

The website is called Yesterday's Tractors, and this forum is called Tractor Talk. Well I've got an old tractor and I like to learn about it and talk about it, so, yes I suddenly qualify.

Maybe there's a website devoted to life-long farmers where you can discuss the finer points of farming, etc. I hope you find it. In the meantime, I really appreciate being able to come here and learn about my tractor from you and others who have "been there, done that, over and over".

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Tex Aggie

10-04-2006 10:37:04

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Jim.UT, 10-04-2006 10:27:33

that's great. maybe it is my down look on agriculture right now. maybe its the fact that there arent many farmers left. maybe its the fact that im tired of these ranchettes being bought and all these hobby farmers in the suburbs. maybe its the fact that i cant find any land to expand the operation and am losing land too. maybe it is the fact that my football team is not doing that good. AAAARRRRR RGGGGG HHHHH HHHHH HHHHH HHH!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!!

Whew. I'm over it. It is good to get things off your chest.

No offense anyone.

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steveormary

10-04-2006 10:58:37

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:37:04

Sold out and moved to the south of NM,not too far from the Rio Grande. Health concerns. One fellow bought 65 acres of pasture,a neighbor bought 85 acres of cultivated land and another party bought the balance(22 acres). The 22 acres had a decent house,farm buildings corrals and wood lots. No wannabes here. Except for me,I would rather be there. Seems the only way a farmer makes any money is when he sells out.

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Hendrik

10-04-2006 10:55:36

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:37:04

No, I am not offended. Although I agree with you that not all posters are farmers, I feel that others, in the mind and spirit of yesterday's tractors, have their place here, while enjoying what they find and contributing to help others. And, no, I am not a professional farmer but my childhood on my grandfather's and father's farm is still within me and I hold Farmers in high esteem. BTW in the archives you can find the question "How many of us are farmers?" that I posted a few years ago.
My two Euro cents, Hendrik from The Netherlands

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farmallman

10-04-2006 11:02:01

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Hendrik, 10-04-2006 10:55:36

Where are these archives?

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Hendrik

10-04-2006 11:14:26

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to farmallman, 10-04-2006 11:02:01

This is the link
Link

You find the archives at the top of each of the discussion forums; there is a button "view archives"

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paul sebek

10-04-2006 10:55:16

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Re: O/T this website's forums in reply to Tex Aggie, 10-04-2006 10:37:04

You must live in nebraska. We've been going through what you've described for decades. Oh, and you left out skyrocketing taxes.

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