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battery upgrade - voltage regulator

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rick ingram

09-27-2006 11:50:23




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I have upgraded my 1954 Ford NAA to an 8v battery from the stock 6v.

Is there an adjustment I need to do to the voltage regulator so that the generator will recharge this 8v to a proper level?

The 8v battery certainly gives her more ooomph on starting...




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gene bender

09-27-2006 18:59:19




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 Re: battery upgrade - voltage regulator in reply to rick ingram, 09-27-2006 11:50:23  
You dont have to do nothing just use and enjoy. I have seen tractors running 8v batts for many years and no problems just leave it alone. Lots think you have to start screwing with the system i have seen toomany over the years that didnt do anything and they are still working just fine.



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Bob

09-27-2006 19:44:26




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 Re: battery upgrade - voltage regulator in reply to gene bender, 09-27-2006 18:59:19  
You REALLY don't get much benefit from an 8-Volt battery by only partially charging it, to the charging voltage of a 6-Volt battery.



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ramblineagle

09-27-2006 17:11:56




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 Re: battery upgrade - voltage regulator in reply to rick ingram, 09-27-2006 11:50:23  
i have had a 8 volt battery in my tractor for years never did anything to the chargeing system, the battery is always fully charged by the genrator.



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Gerald J.

09-27-2006 18:47:11




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 Re: battery upgrade - voltage regulator in reply to ramblineagle, 09-27-2006 17:11:56  
Older charging systems used a third brush to regulate the current and let the battery set the voltage. Those have only a cutout, often in a round can, no voltage regulator. And with an 8 volt battery they don't need adjusting. They'd probably charge a 12 volt battery too without adjustment.

The NAA is new enough to have a voltage regulator, not a third brush generator so its regulator will have to be adjusted.

The problem with a third brush generator is that it tends to overcharge the battery if the engine is run a long time between starts. That's why you run the lights to divert current from the battery after a while.

Gerald J.

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Bob

09-27-2006 16:58:59




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 Re: battery upgrade - voltage regulator in reply to rick ingram, 09-27-2006 11:50:23  
To keep the 8-Volt battery fully-charged, the voltage regulator, now set at about 7.4 Volts, needs to be set UP to about 9.8 Volts.

This is NOT a job for the inexperienced, and it's hard to explain just how to do it, as there are about a zillion syles of regulator "guts".

Is there a "Mom and Pop" auto electrical shop in your area that has been around for a while?

If so, it might be well worth it to have them set up the regulator's voltage, to avoid the chance of letting all the smoke out of the charging system by attempting it yourself.

If you want to try, the basic procedure is to SLIGHTLY increase the spring tension on the relay unit inside the voltage regulator that is wound with the finest (smallest diameter) wire.

A TINY little bit of increased spring tension goes a long way to increasing the voltage setpoint, so take it easy. Sometimes, there is an adjusting screw, sometimes the tab the spring hooks to must be carefully bent a "tad".

Disconnect the battery BEFORE removing the regulator's cover, and re-connect it only after you are done inside the regulator, and then start it up, and check the results of your adjustment, repeating the whole procedure, if further adjustment is needed.

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Jon Hagen

09-27-2006 17:18:18




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 Re: battery upgrade - voltage regulator in reply to Bob, 09-27-2006 16:58:59  
Also put the cover back on the readjusted regulator before checking the final voltage setting.The magnetic field in the voltage relay will be changed a bit by the presence of the steel regulator cover and can affect the final voltage setting by + - 1/2 volt.
NEVER remove or replace the regulator cover with the battery connected. The electrically hot internals of the regulator are very near the cover and touching a part carrying battery voltage and the regulator base with the cover will burn up the regulator or more. Always remove the ground battery cable before R&Ring the cover.

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rick ingram

09-27-2006 18:39:40




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 Re: battery upgrade - voltage regulator in reply to Jon Hagen, 09-27-2006 17:18:18  
Thank you for the very speedy reply!

Off to the electrical shop the regulator will go!

I especially enjoyed the "smoke" comment! I own four British cars (MGs) and we constantly joke abou the Lucas electrics and allowing the smoke to escape from the wires!

Cheers!

rick



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