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Matt Kane

09-24-2006 16:23:10




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I burn wood here 24/7 in the winter time. Are there any benefits to dumping wood ash on a garden? Does wood ash contain anything beneficial?




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Matt Kane

09-25-2006 13:42:18




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to Matt Kane, 09-24-2006 16:23:10  
Nothing has been added to the soil in a while, at least a few years. I wasn't sure where to get a soil test, and I get soo much ash, I thought of putting it on the garden over the winter. This year was a horrible year for the garden, I tried too hard, and nothing really grew. Last year I put the garden out late, and threw it in and it grew like crazy. Was hoping for alot of canning this year, but lost almost everything. When i brush hog it down, would you guys recommend plowing, or just disking it? Thanks for all the help!

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RAB

09-24-2006 23:19:18




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to Matt Kane, 09-24-2006 16:23:10  
You wrote: "Does wood ash contain anything beneficial?"


It contains the remains of incinerated plants, so must be good if put back on the soil. It should just be concentrated plant matter!
Will contain lots of potash, but, of course, no humous value.
Requires common sense and perhaps soil analysis to make best use of it and should not contain other things, like cement used as a binder in some wood pellets.
RAB

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Buzzman72

09-24-2006 20:53:27




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to Matt Kane, 09-24-2006 16:23:10  
An old-time horse trainer years ago told us of a use for wood ash: If you've got a horse that gets particularly "wooly" with his winter coat, and doesn't shed out quickly enough for the spring show season, add some sifted wood ash to his grain ration. Not sure of the amount anymore, because it's been a lot of years since anyone in the family has shown horses...but sifted wood ash will speed up the shedding process for a "wooly bear" horse. I've seen the results, and it works.

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jmixigo

09-24-2006 20:17:59




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to Matt Kane, 09-24-2006 16:23:10  
I have had good but short term results with light applications on pasture grass. Not as good in the garden.
Ash will affect soil ph much like lime so it depends on what your soil needs.



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James2

09-24-2006 18:06:21




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to Matt Kane, 09-24-2006 16:23:10  
I did it all the time a few years ago when I gardened a little. Need to add a little sulfur it the wood ash. I usually used ammonium sulfate.



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Tim In New York

09-24-2006 17:55:34




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to Matt Kane, 09-24-2006 16:23:10  
Matt,

You can mess up the PH pretty easily with wood ash. My father dumped all our ash in the garden when I was a kid. After a few years, the potatos got scab so bad he had to move them to a different spot in the yard. I don't know what other plants react to wood ash, but potatoes do for sure.

Tim



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VaTom

09-24-2006 17:38:49




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to Matt Kane, 09-24-2006 16:23:10  
With all due respect to RM, I tried it and won"t again.

I compost (low temp) between my raised beds. Not unlike sheet composting in your actual beds. Thinking I"d get some mineral benefit I added woodstove ash last year. This spring, as usual, I shoveled the compost into the beds. Big surprise, no worms in the compost for the first time.

Didn"t test, but my guess is a ph problem. Whatever it was, the lack of worms told me that I wan"t getting the same quality of compost as I had in previous years.

I"m back to ash-less. I"ve got great soil, steadily improved over the years. Went no-till this year, and have no intention of endangering it. I"m very close to achieving permaculture, no seeding or transplanting necessary. For mineral replacement I"ve gone to adding some subsoil to my compost.

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RM in Va.

09-24-2006 23:21:38




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to VaTom, 09-24-2006 17:38:49  
A good deal of my pasture and hay fields were tobacco ground. It was worn out soil from weed control chemical and lack of lime from renters not wanting or keeping the soil up to par. It is in need of organic matter. I can already see an improvement in the grass. I'm sure that soil had no or few earth worms to begin with.

Also this ash isn't exactly like the ash from a wood stove. It's not completly burned to make it gray and fluffy. In fact this ash will still burn. Not with a flame but burns sort of like charcoal. So when I put down 4 - 6 tons per acre it leaves a layer on top that helps hold moisture.

From what I saw with the insects I don't doubt it gets rid of earth worms too. Sounds like you've done some good work to make your soil near perfect. I'm sure lime would be better here but with the high cost of fertilizer the ash will have to do for lime for now. Bad enough to pay the fertilizer bill. But when lime gets this high and I have 120 acres it adds up fast. I did watch other that used the ash several years before I tried it. It seems to do the job and again it's free.

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VaTom

09-25-2006 03:50:54




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to RM in Va., 09-24-2006 23:21:38  
RM, you're right. I started with a lot better than tobacco dirt. We live on top of a mountain in Albemarle county, no topsoil to speak of. I went to the bottom and got the best dirt I could find. Wasn't great, but several yrs later it is. Don't even need lime. My compost works very well.

I've been reading about humus and "green manure", trying something different every year. Part of my motivation is the lessening of trace minerals in commercial produce. That's why I figured I'd try the ash. Whether adding subsoil will do the same I don't know, but it won't hurt anything.

I haven't paid much attention to field cropping, as I have no fields (just forest), but there apparently are field crops that would jumpstart your humus production. I just learned that my arugula and mustard growing actually improve the soil, although I don't yet know how.

Had a "master gardener" and wife come by here and she wanted to know why my tomatoes were so much more "robust" than theirs. He uses commercial fertilizers and bug control. I don't.

Using that ash instead of lime sounds like a good start for you.

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RM in Va.

09-24-2006 16:33:18




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to Matt Kane, 09-24-2006 16:23:10  
I use wood fly ash from a power plant on my pastures and hay fields. 2.5 tons of ash = 1 ton of lime. Plus you get potash and several other minerals too. With the price of lime here at $34 per ton spread the ash is attractive. The ash is free and the hauling is free also.

When I was a kid we'd use wood ash on the plants in the garden too. Helps keep insects away. I spread ash on 40 acres back in July and noticed all the insects left the grass. Even grass hoppers. So yes ash is good for gardens and soil.

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Coloken

09-24-2006 20:45:16




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to RM in Va., 09-24-2006 16:33:18  
Pray tell, what power plant uses wood? How do they do that?



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RM in Va.

09-24-2006 22:59:24




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to Coloken, 09-24-2006 20:45:16  
The power plant is located in Grit Va. It uses left overs from wood mills mainly, that are from Big Island near Bedford Va. to Roxboro Nc. There are 6 mills on or near rt. 501 ranging from a paper mill, osb mills and one plywood mill. The power plant puts out about 100 tons of ash per day. The bulk of it goes on farms here. Most of this area has to have lime every 3 years or less. So the ash gets used up instead of going in a land fill.

Since soy beans have made a come back here lots of ash is being used on bean land. Most of that soil was down to 5 ph. or less. It'll sure make a soy bean grow if we get rain.

I take soil samples so I know what to put down. Last year I used 220 tons. Got 400 ton this time and have about 300 tons in a pile to spread now. Most of my soil will need 2 tons of lime every 3 years. I would break the farm up in 3rds and apply some lime on a thrid each year. At $34 per ton spread it ain't cheap anymore.

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Coloken

09-25-2006 06:37:46




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to RM in Va., 09-24-2006 22:59:24  
Thats what I like about this place, you can learn some thing new every day. Where I farm, you have to walk 10 miles to find a tree.



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Chad Franke

09-25-2006 12:29:45




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 Re: O/T Wood Ash in reply to Coloken, 09-25-2006 06:37:46  
I'm with you Ken, no trees unless there's a house (or was, there's places with a tree or two and few people remember the house that was there), talk of yearly fertilizer and lime is odd to me...



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