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biggerred

09-23-2006 10:23:16

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A close friend of mine works for a big time farmer in the next county over, and told me that they had a big Case/IH Magnum at the local dealer geting some work done on it. After a couple of weeks the dealer calls and says come get your tractor, "shes ready for ya". The farmer and a field hand drive to get the tractor, exchange all the pleasentries get the keys and pulls out toward home. About a half mile down the road the tractor locks up tighter than Dicks Hatband, stops in the road smoking. They get out and low and behold, there was not one single drop of oil in the engine, not even the drain plug. The (now unemployed) mechanic forgot to refill the engine with oil. So much for dealer support!!

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Aaron Ford

09-23-2006 19:40:16

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

Prior to the Air Force, I worked as a grease monkey at a tire shop in central Florida. One day a guy came in in a cab ranting and raving that the car I just did an oil change on was dead beside the road. He had a receipt and sure enough, I had done an oil change on his car that morning. The shop mechanics went out to look at the car and found it at the end of a long oil streak. They backtracked and found that the streak started about 2 miles back on the side of the road. Further inspection found a Group 7 (ours) oil filter laying in the weeds with a screwdriver still stuck through it. The police were called and that was that.

Not saying that this happened, but it does happen....

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Don-Wi

09-23-2006 23:15:53

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to Aaron Ford, 09-23-2006 19:40:16

So, he decided he needed a new engine at your expense?? I guess I'd have a few words to say about that..... .

Donovan from Wisconsin

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redtom

09-23-2006 19:17:25

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

We had a loud mouth equpiment operator at work who bragged that he checked the oil every morning on his loader. He was high seniority and so the newest loader was assigned to him. One morning one of the mechanics took the keys and hung them on the dipstick handle. That operator fumed and ranted for hours figuring someone just wanted to drive "his" loader. Finally they told him.

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430WLPG

09-23-2006 19:04:12

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

The Magnum's have a SHUTDOWN system that self tests with every startup, The lights and buzzer come on for a few seconds and they shut off with no oil pressure or several other vital pressures and temp's, Sooo unless the system wasn't working , that shouldn't happen. Because I've seen alot of them have the rear crankshaft seal pop out and they lose all the oil real fast, but all of them have shutdown with safely

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Turke Bros. Farms

09-23-2006 18:09:43

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

Amen to that! I almost had somthing like that happen. I have a mid 80's Case 450C dozer, i used to think the oil pressure gauge was good enough for me. I was ready to start it on a jobsite one day, and for some unkown reason I decided to check the oil. When i pulled the stick i was shocked, not a drop! We found that a stone lodged itself between the belly pan and the oilpan and wore a whole clear through it and leaked it all out. I GOT LUCKY, from that point on i ALWAYS check before starting.

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Aowner

09-23-2006 17:55:39

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

I always check my oil before starting a cold engine and monitor the oil pressure frequently after starting especially after someone else would have been working on it.

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Pooh Bear

09-23-2006 19:13:59

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to Aowner, 09-23-2006 17:55:39

My tractor doesn't get started until the oil is checked.
Whether it is the first start of the day or anytime after.
I run over some rough terrain sometimes and if I bang
a hole in the oil pan and start losing oil I want to
know about it as soon as possible.
Takes 10 seconds to check the oil.
And it sure beats the cost of a new engine.

Many years ago someone snuck onto the lot at BFI
and removed all the drain plugs on the trucks.
The next morning the drivers all started their routes.
Didn't take long to ruin all those engines.
Over 50 big garbage trucks. Would hate to get that repair bill.
After that they installed Murphy Switch Guages in all the trucks.
If something goes out of whack such as low oil pressure
or engine overheating, or what ever, the switch guages
automatically shut down the engine.

Something like that sure would have prevented this problem.

Pooh Bear

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Steve Crum

09-23-2006 16:12:23

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

Rule on the farm was and always a rule to this day is IF you take a drain plug out of anything, IT must be wiped off clean and placed on the seat of the machine. That way it isn't lost and if somebody tries to use the machine they immediately find the plug. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!

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dr.sportster

09-23-2006 13:03:55

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

Whenever you drain oil,pull an engine etc. it is a must to tag the steering wheel,hanblebars whatever with a NO OIL[motor/trans]tag.Tell that guy never to work on any airplanes.

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coflyboy

09-23-2006 14:07:03

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to dr.sportster, 09-23-2006 13:03:55

Dr. Sportster. Do you work on airplanes?

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dr.sportster

09-24-2006 06:07:44

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to coflyboy, 09-23-2006 14:07:03

No,but I like to think of my motorcycle as one.I also know the pilot has a whole preflight checklist and would probably find out there was no oil.100 tags in a stationary store cost under five bucks.New motor ruined cost more and forgetting oil is more common than people realize.Kinda ruins the excitment factor of a job well done.

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barnrat

09-23-2006 12:56:48

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

Obviously that tractor was old enogh not to have computer engine managment. Which would have shut the engine down as soon as there was low oil or no pressure. I've seen this on a JD 8000 series that blew a turbo seal on a dyno test and lost enough pressure that the engine just shut right down.

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colekicker

09-23-2006 12:02:47

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

Should the mechanic have double checked his work? Yes. Should the operator have checked his machine before simply operating it? Yes. Who is more at fault? The dealership because they didn't complete part of a job, but some blame must be put on the operator.
In my mind, this is probably an accident. Like someone else said, so many tractors he may have filled another one and thought it was this one. It was an accident.
If we didn't have accidents, we'd have happenings.

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Jonfarmer

09-23-2006 11:45:26

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

It was just an oversight on the mechanic, they are busy in those big shops. The local dealer works on my tractor, but you ought to see all the tractors assigned to each man while your there, my local Case IH dealer has a big white board that takes up most of one wall in the service dept office, on it is the names of their mechanics and underneith their name is a list of machines assigned to them for various repairs, I was there yesterday dropping off one of our tractors, and the fellow assigned to it has about 15 tractors on the board. Now, all these machines were not all there since they write out a work order when somebody calls them and add it to the board, but then sometimes people don't follow through and bring the item in after they call which from what I gathered, is happening alot right now, which is a good thing for me because hopefully they will get to mine alot faster. So it was just an oversight, and no doubt a very expensive one, but all shops carry insurance just for these occasions, and I would hope they wouldn't get rid of a good worker just because of 1 mistake. There could be a variety of reasons why it got missed, perhaps he got distracted somehow, and then forgot, who knows what it was, but bottom line is insurance will cover what happened here.

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MarkB_MI

09-23-2006 11:14:56

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

So the mechanic forgot to refill the crankcase; now he's out of work. What about the operator who fired up the tractor without checking the oil level, and who drove half a mile with no oil pressure? Probably too busy talking on his cell phone to be bothered with looking at the gauges.

If anyone had bothered to pull the dipstick, that mechanic might still have a job, the dealer wouldn't be out 20 grand for a new engine and the owner would have his tractor back in the field.

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biggerred

09-23-2006 11:43:00

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to MarkB_MI, 09-23-2006 11:14:56

I guess he thought, being as he was at a IH Dealership, and being as they called and said the tractor was ready, that they knew what they were talking about. I bet the mechanic made more $$ than the poor old field hand.

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Jonfarmer

09-23-2006 11:50:29

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 11:43:00

Yeah, they make some decent money, but thats because it requires alot more skill than a field hand. To be honest with you, most field hands around here are high school dropouts and mexicans.

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Nebraska Cowman

09-23-2006 12:10:20

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to Jonfarmer, 09-23-2006 11:50:29

Ya know, that might be true but you won't find those "mechanics" driving my tractors. I started out 35 years ago fixing other farmers tractors and machines. I could have taken over the shop but thinking about it I decided, "No, if I'm gonn fix the stuff, I'm gonna farm and tear it up myself." But ya know what? My stuff don't break. A good man behind the wheel would be very valuable indeed. But I ain't gonna hire him. He likely has his own successful business.

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Jim in NC

09-23-2006 10:48:02

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

I raised and sold produce this summer. I had a regular place I would go to sell in the afternoons. There was an inspection station-quick oil change place across the street from me. One day, a man began blowing his horn and yelling at the car in front of him that was getting ready to pull out into the street from this place. It was his wife and they had come to pick up her car. While waiting to pull into traffic, a large pool of oil drained from her car. The technician? probably did not tighten the drain plug. It was pushed back to the shop, and hopefully filled with oil and had a tight plug when it left some 30 minutes later. They got lucky.

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jeffcat

09-24-2006 01:15:22

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to Jim in NC, 09-23-2006 10:48:02

If I may add my $.02 here. Woman DON"T look at idiot lights! The EXXXX drove the poor little K car for two days before she asked why the RED light was on. The bolt for the Alt. was missing and the unit was laying sideways in the engine compartment. I took a company truck "astro van" to a jif lube and got it's first 3K oil change. I like to stand and watch as they work. He he he. I was chatting with the manager while one of the guys put the oil in. In the back of your mind a little bell goes off but you don't always listen. When they started the engine I noticed it sounded like it was almost grunting. I pulled the dip stick and realized the oil was almost to the top of the stick! NOT four quarts but FOUR GALLONS of oil. Took an awful long time going chug chug as he put that oil in. Kid was new and he didn't know how to read the dial yet.

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seantn

09-23-2006 10:32:03

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to biggerred, 09-23-2006 10:23:16

who was watching the idiot lights sean

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Jon Hagen

09-23-2006 13:33:31

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Re: Hows this for stupid in reply to seantn, 09-23-2006 10:32:03

The driver should have been both deaf and sunburned from all the red lights and warning beepers going off. Sounds fishy.

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