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Dale B

09-10-2006 07:51:25




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This is ON topic because I'm goingto wash my tractors with the water..... .My water meter is 250 feet from my house. The meter is a 3/4 inch outlet, and is currently hooked to the house with 1 1/4 galvanized pipe. I'm replacing it with rolled annealed copper, but the largest size it comes in is one inch. If I go to 1 1/4 copper pipe , the price will be outrageous.... Do you guys think the one inch is sufficient ? After all,all the Water outlets are 1/2 inch , shower, washer, sinks ,etc

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504-1

09-10-2006 20:47:40




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
1400ft to the meter and we have two houses on one meter. 1 1/4 black roll pipe. (We do have a second meter at the kids house to keep the water dept happy)We have never had a psi problem.



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Dachshund

09-10-2006 20:39:32




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
Ours is 1" rolled plastic pipe. The meter is 400' away from the house at about the same level - it's on a hill by the road, and our house is on a hill 400' feet away. The line also has to cross a creek about half way. Not had pressure/volume problems.



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Don L C

09-10-2006 18:42:47




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
Dale ----

I ran mine in 1 1/4" plastic roll pipe.....

put about 4" sand in the ditch ....cover it with another 4" of sand.....pusd the dirt back....remove any rocks....been OK for last 27 years..... Don S.W. Ohio



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Shovelman

09-10-2006 18:00:21




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
Dale,

I had the same concerns about adequate flow/pressure when we ran water from our house to the barn, which is about 270 feet.

After calculating friction loss, we opted for 1-1/4" heavy wall (160 psi rated) coiled well plastic, with all brass insert fittings and Ideal stainless clamps. It works great with no noticeable pressure loss.

You can get 160 psi well plastic in 300 foot coils at any good plumbing supply house. Be sure to use brass fittings on any part that is buried and double clamp each insert connection.

This should give you all the water you will need at a small fraction of the cost of copper.

Good luck,
Scott

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doogdoog

09-10-2006 15:06:01




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
Aloha, I think the meter should be at least 1".

Mahalo,
doogdoog



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oldfarmtractor

09-10-2006 12:31:56




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
You will only lose pressure due to friction loss if you are running a high volume of water.

If I remember my numbers correctly, 1" is 4 times larger than 1/2" and twice the size of 3/4 inch. That being said, don"t worry about friction loss.

Where I live, all water supplies need to be 1 - 1.25" copper with no joints along the way.



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MarkB_MI

09-10-2006 12:14:44




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
Your pockets are a lot deeper than mine! For what 1 inch copper will run, you could run 2 inch PVC and still have money left over.

Whatever you do, don't skimp on the diameter. 250 feet is a long run for even 1 inch pipe. How big is "big enough" is hard to say; you want as big of pipe as your water meter tap can supply, but I have no idea what that would be. 1-1/2 PVC sounds good to me; you know your flow rate will be at least as good as what you have now.

The size of the outlets in your house is irrelevant. Water loses pressure flowing through a pipe over distance. 1-1/4" pipe will have about half the pressure drop of one inch pipe, while 1-1/2 inch pipe will have about half the pressure drup of 1-1/4. How much that pressure drop will be depends on the maximum flow rate, which is dependent on your water main tap.

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2t2@ia

09-10-2006 11:57:53




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
I would think that 1 inch plastic would be adequate. Our farm in NW Iowa has some 3/4" copper that has been in since 1947 and quite a little 1" black plastic that has been in the ground since 1955 with no problems.



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MARK RED OR GREEN

09-10-2006 08:34:26




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
dale why would you want to use copper do not know where you live but i am in florida and have been on the plumbing bus for 35 years we do knot bury copper here at all and would not if i could because of price if you are up north i would use a sch 80 pvc if you can not bury it deep norm would be sch 40 pvc and would run a 1'' line to your wash down station and use a 1" brass ball valve and a hose conecter on the end of that will give you the most preasure and volume and that is what you want mark

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Bill(Wis)

09-10-2006 08:04:56




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
My well is 300 feet from the house and another 100 feet to the barn. All we've ever used is one inch ID copper. This dates from 1947 and has supplied the complete water requirements of family and 100 head of cattle plus washing milking equipment, etc.



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Bob

09-10-2006 08:04:22




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Dale B , 09-10-2006 07:51:25  
I had a mobile home just off of our main farmyard for over 10 years, fed with a 1" black plastic line about 600 feet long. We never had ANY pressure or flow problems.

YMMV!



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pgo12

09-11-2006 01:38:57




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 Re: Long water line in reply to Bob, 09-10-2006 08:04:22  
for water sevices over 200 feet, i would use 2 inch plastic pipe. they make a plastic just for services. its not a well pipe, its thicker. can buy special brass fittings that have stainless sleeves that go inside the pipe, and nuts with washers to go on the ends. compresses down and has a bolt on it. i would want plenty of volume if more than one fixture is used. its a long way, and there will be a pressure drop. pg

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