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J - IA

08-17-2006 19:10:14




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I'm puting in a corn syrup tank for cattle feed and the pump takes a 5 hp motor. What size underground wire should I pull. 8-2 or 10-2 or ? Thanks




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John T

08-18-2006 06:34:21




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 Re: OT Wiring Syrup tank in reply to J - IA, 08-17-2006 19:10:14  
J IA, First of all you definitely wanna go with 240 volts if the motor is a dual voltage 120/240 or more likely a straight 240 volt for a 5 HP. Thats a decent sized motor for single phase application you know. Next, Ugly's Electrical Refernces Handbook lists 28 amps as the full load current for a 5 HP Single Phase Motor at 230 V.

Sooooo assuming its a 240 volt single phase motor I strongly suggest you use 8/2 with Ground (3 conductors, 2 insulated phase wires plus a bare or green insulated equipment ground) Type UF (Underground Feeder) Cable. Unless its a very long run (how far is it???) in which case you might need larger gauge wire to reduce voltage drop, but at 28 amps the 8 Gauge ought to be adequate for a long distance. NOTE: I would NOT try n get by with 10 Gauge Wire..... ....

Once you get to the Motor I would use a 2 pole (NEMA 1 Enclosure if indoors NEMA 3R if Outdoors) Safety Switch Disconnect right at the motor but at worst case in sight and within 50 feet from it. You can choose either a 2 pole fuzed or circuit breaker type of Safety Switch Disconnect for the Motor, and if a fused you might get by with a dual element time delay (Slow Blow) fuze or perhaps a 40 amp circuit breaker since motor start up current (approx 6 x run current) might trip a 30 amp breaker. You are permitted to size a motor service circuit breaker at a higher current rating then the Motors Full Load Amps (28) in order to allow for it to start as the Motors Internal Thermal Protection Current Overload (assuming it has a thermal overload protector) ought to trip out to protect the motor if she overheats or overcurrents. In the event the motor had no internal thermal overload protection, then you should use a regular motor combination starter (disconnect plus overload protection) to provde the disconnect PLUS overload protection. See if the motor has some sort of red pushbutton type of thermal overload?????

I would use a Rigid Conduit riser up out of the ground to the Safety Switch and then use watertight flexible conduit (Seal Tight) from the Safety Switch to the Motor. Dont forget to bond the bare/green safety equipment ground to the safety switch and conduit and the motor itself.

NOTE: I been retired a good while and am rusty on the NEC and havent kept up but believe most of the above to still be accurate but NO WARRANTY LOL

Best wishes n God Bless

John T Retired Electrical Engineer in Indiana

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MarkB_MI

08-18-2006 03:43:12




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 Re: OT Wiring Syrup tank in reply to J - IA, 08-17-2006 19:10:14  
120 or 240 volts?

Assuming it's 240, you will need at least a 20 amp breaker. I would go with a 30 amp breaker and 10 gauge wire if the run is short (less than 100 feet). That should give you plenty of reserve. Jump up to 8 gauge if the run is over 100 feet, 6 gauge if it's over 200 feet, etc.



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paul

08-17-2006 21:28:13




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 Re: OT Wiring Syrup tank in reply to J - IA, 08-17-2006 19:10:14  
Generally 5hp you want a 60 amp service, & that takes at least a 6 wire, bigger if it is a longer run. You are going to have a light or 2, plus a 110 outlet....

If this is only for the motor & nothing ever else, look at the amp draw on the plate, & let us know the length of wire needed. Over 50 feet makes a difference, voltage drop is real hard on electric motors.

I think 10 wire is for 30 amps, & I think that will be too light for you in any case?

--->Paul

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Paul Janke

08-17-2006 19:16:14




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 Re: OT Wiring Syrup tank in reply to J - IA, 08-17-2006 19:10:14  
Besides the amp load and knowing if the wire is big enough to handle that, you also need to know the length of the run of wire to know whether or not you have too much voltage drop in that length of wire.



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