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6 to 12 volt conversion

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Stephen Hoffman

08-14-2006 17:52:12




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Guys,

I have converted an old tractor - a Gibson - from a 6 volt system to 12. I have changed the generator to an alternator with voltage regulation. I have changed the coil to 12 volts. But the coil and most 6 to 12 volt conversion kits mention a 12 volt resistor. What does the 12 volt resistor do? How do I wire it in? Where do I get just the 12 volt resistor? I did not order a 6 to 12 volt conversion kit so am putting it together myself.

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John T

08-14-2006 19:10:47




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 Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion in reply to Stephen Hoffman, 08-14-2006 17:52:12  
Stephen, when you convert from 6 to 12 volts you need to do EITHER in the ignition system:

A) Keep the old 6 volt coil but add an external voltage dropping (12 to 6) external ballast resistor in series after the ignition switch and before the coil, or

B) Use a new full true 12 volt (internally ballasted) coil in which case DO NOT use any external series ballast resistor.

Many full true 12 volt coils are labeled "12 volts" or "12 volts NOT for use with external ballast" Many 6 volt coils are labeled "6 volts" or "12 volts requires external ballast"

If in doubt use an ohmmeter to measure the coils primary winding resistance between its lil + and - terminals. A 6 volt coil will be in the vicinty of 1.5 ohms while a 12 volt would be more like 3 ohms.

The typical ballast resistor would be around 1.5 to 1.85 ohms power rated in the vicinity of 20 to 30 or so watts, many are ceramic wirewound bathtub style.

If you use an unballasted 6 volt coil at 12 volts it will get so hot you can barely hold your hand on it plus the points will burn up prematurely and the coil may overheat and fry.

The ballast is available at Tractor Supply or Rural King or NAPA etc and so are full true 12 volt coils which require NO ballast

Post back any questions

John T

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RAB

08-14-2006 18:46:17




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 Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion in reply to Stephen Hoffman, 08-14-2006 17:52:12  
If you wish to retain your 6 volt coil you can just add a suitable inline ballast resistor to leave 6 volts on the coil (and 6 volts drop across the resistor).
If you are fitting a "12"volt coil, it may accept the full 12 volt supply or it may be a 6 volt coil needing a ballast resistor.
In the case of the 6 volt coil, if the tractor has an electric starter, the ballast is in line from the ignition switch for normal running, but often bypassed when the starter is in operation, to apply full voltage to the coil for a better starting spark. That was the reason they were fitted to cars in the first place - to improve starting.
Regards, RAB

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oldart

08-14-2006 18:09:45




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 Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion in reply to Stephen Hoffman, 08-14-2006 17:52:12  
go to an auto parts store tell the parts manwhat you want he wil know. connect it in the wire fron the switch to the coil mount on the back of dash it will get warm so keep it clear of wires.



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Jon Hagen

08-14-2006 18:07:40




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 Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion in reply to Stephen Hoffman, 08-14-2006 17:52:12  
You need to determine what the new coil you have is. Their are actual 12V coils with a 12V primary winding that do not need any kind of a resistor. Their are also coils made to work on a 12V system,but only with a resistor connected between the ignition switch and positive primary coil terminal. This type of coil is usually marked on the outside as being 12V WITH AN EXTERNAL RESISTOR. The coil box,installation instructions,or writing on the coil case should state if the coil needs an exernal resistor. If you need a resistor,any auto parts store should have one for a 60's 6or V8 Chrysler product which is a good compromise of good spark along with long point life.

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Tom in Central Pa

08-14-2006 18:01:01




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 Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion in reply to Stephen Hoffman, 08-14-2006 17:52:12  
Ignition points will burn if voltage is too high.
A resistor will drop the voltage from 12V to 5V-7V. It should be connected inline between the ignition switch, and the ignition coil.



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Bob

08-14-2006 22:15:21




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 Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion in reply to Tom in Central Pa, 08-14-2006 18:01:01  
Ignition points will burn if the CURRENT through them is too high... of course, the increased current is caused by the increased voltage.



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souNdguy

08-15-2006 05:19:49




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 Re: 6 to 12 volt conversion in reply to Bob, 08-14-2006 22:15:21  
Bob.. email me.. i got a 'funny' for you.

Soundguy



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