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Allan - last falls alfalfa planting

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Joe in IN

08-07-2006 11:10:08




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If I recall we both planted some alfalf last year about this time. Should I ask how it turned out??

Mine is so so at best I am thinking about drilling in some more where the thin spots are. I had 6 weeks without a drop after planting. All in all it wasn't a failure, just not as good as my other fields....




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Sid

08-07-2006 13:37:44




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 Re: Allan - last falls alfalfa planting in reply to Joe in IN, 08-07-2006 11:10:08  
From what I understand from the experts you will have a toxiticy problem trying to drill alfalfa seed into an existing stand. I have never triedi t just depende on what I have read from plant pros. If remember right one time we set the disc straight and ran it through a thinning out stand after top dressing it. It was supposed to split the crown of the plant and make two plants. The stand did indeed improve. Maybe it would have anyway with just the fertilizer. It was advice that Dad followed about 40 years ago. He was going to plow it up and put it in something else. I do remember he was pleased with the result and the stand lasted a few years after that.

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Joe in IN

08-07-2006 13:50:37




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 Re: Autotoxicity???? in reply to Sid, 08-07-2006 13:37:44  
I thought on a new stand (1 year or less) this was not an issue?

Any experts?? If so, It is a grass mix field anyway, I'll add more grass.....



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Scotmac

08-07-2006 16:38:17




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 Re: Autotoxicity???? in reply to Joe in IN, 08-07-2006 13:50:37  
You're right Joe...stands just established should have no problem. However, if you are going to topdress with more seed, do it before or right after Labor Day. It will have time to establish itself and root down before the hard freezes.



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Allan In NE

08-07-2006 11:19:17




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 Re: Allan - last falls alfalfa planting in reply to Joe in IN, 08-07-2006 11:10:08  
Hi Joe,

Mine finally came out of it okay, fact is I'm crossing the fingers for more rain and maybe a second cutting.

I'll never do that fall planting thing again. Just to darned hard on my constitution. On this patch I'm working on now, there's not any oats to speak of, but one heck of a nice stand of alfalfa under there.

Old habits die hard, I guess.

Allan



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TGIN

08-07-2006 14:21:08




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 Re: Allan - last falls alfalfa planting in reply to Allan In NE, 08-07-2006 11:19:17  
Allan , What kind of problems did you run into with the fall planting ? I`ve got a field I`m thinking about fall planting . I have never planted in the fall , always in the spring with with oats , just thought about trying it .



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Allan In NE

08-07-2006 15:00:08




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 Re: Allan - last falls alfalfa planting in reply to TGIN, 08-07-2006 14:21:08  
TG,

I would have been just fine, but for some silly reason I got it in my head that I needed to run the packer over the new seeding to make 'better' soil/seed contact.

Well, the last of it finally just came up 6 weeks ago. What was just 'drilled and forgot' just came a boiling up outta the ground within 3 to 7 days.

I really thought this spring that I was going to have to plow the whole mess up, but it eventally came around.

Allan

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TGIN

08-07-2006 15:34:13




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 Re: Allan - last falls alfalfa planting in reply to Allan In NE, 08-07-2006 15:00:08  
My plan would have included the cultipacker !! I think I will rethink it . Wanted to plant it last spring but it stayed wet , it`s hilltop rolling ground with a few wet spots . Ended up planting sudan this yr after it quit raining . I think I`ll hope for a dryer spring next yr. This is the first time in a long time we have had good summer rains . Hav`nt had a 3rd cutting of hay in yrs. I`ve got one field thats gona make 4 .[ Praying to the hay gods ] Tim

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Joe in IN

08-07-2006 17:26:56




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 Re: Allan - last falls alfalfa planting in reply to TGIN, 08-07-2006 15:34:13  
I am still a fan of fall planting for this reason. The following years crop is very good, compared with a weed infested mess with springplanting. If you are a dry land guy, I would defer to Allan.

My issue was we went 6 weeks without a drop of rain. That coupled with me wanting to go the cheap route and not rounduping the field prior to planting. (I had weedy wheat, that year.) Didn't bale some of the straw. I bushhogged a number of times but didn't get it enough so i have thin spots(where straw was thickest).

In addition I only disked twice and that didn't kill the weeds. No rain, wheat(outof the back of the combine) and weeds I thought was going to ruin my planting.

But 75% of my field is just fine, cow guy round baled the wheat/alfalfa on first cutting. Second was fine(other than I cut at wrong time and it got rained on).

My thin spots(due to unbaled straw) is where I need to drill something in....

Depends where you are, I would start on this soon. In North Central indiana i planted mine on Aug 15.

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TGIN

08-08-2006 02:08:40




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 Re: Allan - last falls alfalfa planting in reply to Joe in IN, 08-07-2006 17:26:56  
I`m flipin the coin here . The first yr. weed mess is one of the reasons I was thinking of fall planting . but I can get a nother cutting of sudan if I wait . It would make good plowdown though . A few extra bale of hay is a few extra replacment hefiers I can hold over . We do have the moister this yr. or I would`nt think about it . I need a two headed coin and then call tails !!



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Allan In NE

08-07-2006 15:14:16




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 Re: Allan - last falls alfalfa planting in reply to Allan In NE, 08-07-2006 15:00:08  
This 40 acres that I planted this spring in the conventional way with the oats is darned near as tall as the oats.

Much better plan.

Allan



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