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Car battery electric fence ?????

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Coon Hunter

07-26-2006 12:56:37




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Coons are in the sweetcorn.....if I put a wire around the patch and hook a car battery directly to the wire will it make enough shock to keep them out? Don't have a electric fencer available.
Any thoughts if this will work, thanks




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Truth seeker

07-27-2006 09:56:18




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
*Caution wild and crazy talk ahead*
Hi!
You might need some experience in electronics to build this, but I it might not be as hard as it looks on the outside, radio shack ought to carry these parts for it.

Link

The article starts under the title of "time machine" (no this is not a SciFi magazine and it has nothing to do with time travel)
On page 3 halfway down secound column it starts talking about the electric fence charger.
The advantage is that you can control the Omph of the zap.
I'd love to see how the coons would get "poofed" by this!

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gene bender

07-27-2006 02:08:34




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
no way will that work but a radio and lite will. now hook the battery to a electric fencer and we are stopping coons but you have to check every day for weeds and anything else that mite short out the fencer.



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IH2444

07-27-2006 06:24:50




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to gene bender, 07-27-2006 02:08:34  
I have a radio and light wired to a motion light sensor in my workshop and the coons still come in. Heck I can be sitting there watching tv or listening to the radio and they just waltz in. So I keep the Air rifle handy.
Do coons like Rap? they appear to like hard rock.



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Michael Soldan

07-26-2006 17:20:06




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
Around here everyone hooks up an old radio in their cornpatch, covered for weather, coons won't comw around the sounds..it works in barns, just about everyone I know that has cattle has a radio playing in the barn 24/7...coons don't hang around human noise..I kid you not!....Mike in Exeter Ontario



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37 chief

07-26-2006 17:01:38




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
It seams like everyone has some kind of critter problem in their garden this time of the year. I am having a problem with crows eating my water melons. They get 6-8 every day. they peck holes and feed on the insides. I have covered the mlons with cardboard seams to do some good. We don't have many coons in my part of the country. Is there a cent the coons don't like? like maybe dog crap. Then you would probably step in it. Stan

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J.T.L.

07-26-2006 14:26:06




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
Back in the late 50s, mom and dad had a problem with squirrels on the bird feeder outside the window of the breakfast area in our house. Dad rigged up an oil burner transformer between the house current and some screen wire he placed on the feeder. Had a Cutler Hammer momentary push button switch sitting on the window sill by the kitchen table. With one hand holding his coffee cup and the other poised at the switch, he showed the gray squirrels that they really COULD fly. He used that set-up for many years.

John

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Coon Hunter- Thank You

07-26-2006 14:25:10




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
Thanks for all the ideas.....just got back from town...bought a cheap fencer. Going to have fresh roasted coon for breakfast!!!



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JDknut

07-26-2006 14:03:08




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
The 12 volt DC won't even tickle the low lifin' sonsa pups. I don't know about keeping them outta the corn except for the fences the others talked about, but I have found out how to keep them out out of my garbage. Spray the garbage with Tilex® bathroom cleaner which cleans mildew off the tiles, but smells like chlorine bleach, and I guess the chlorine smell keeps 'em away.



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Pooh Bear

07-26-2006 13:58:09




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
Won't work. Battery is direct current.
And the voltage is too low to hurt you.
Now if you could plug into the hot side of an electrical
outlet that would work great. Guy I used to know
did that inside his dog lot to keep the dogs in.

For a battery you build a capacitance discharge
high voltage generator. Works like a car ignition
system. Only instead of a coil it uses capacitors.
Just use bigger capacitors to get higher voltages.
You can knock somebody for a wallup with one of these.

How about a small power inverter hooked to the battery
and run a fence charger off of that.
They make solar fence chargers that do just that.

Pooh Bear

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TomH in PA

07-26-2006 16:20:45




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Pooh Bear, 07-26-2006 13:58:09  
I expect he kept the dogs in permanently. 115 volts will stop an animal's heart in an instant, including yours.

Oddly, the very brief 10,000 volt shock you get from a fencer is generally harmless (but very painful).

A 12v battery powered fence charge doesn't cost very much, any ag supply store should carry them.

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farmer in the dells (wi)

07-26-2006 13:56:08




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
12 volts vs 12 gauge...no question. I would go shopping for the right stuff if you want the fence to do the job.



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Dave from MN

07-26-2006 13:26:52




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
Does a zapp keep you from working on your car. Nope. Sweet corn to coons is like my woman to me, once i get I'll do what ever it takes to keep getting it. Same with coons and corn. I am erecting a fence today for em. 1 wire at 4" and 1 and 8". I dont have the little elec post so I am having to use t-post and with no rain for like a month and a half, it concrete out there. Damn little buggers wiped out 4 rows- 400' long in the last 2 nights. And them were the first to be picked today. Used fencer $15, 1/2 mile 14 gauge wire $30, used t-post $.30ea, 2 cases beer $20, keeping them little varmints outa ma corn..... PRICELESS. Get a fence up!

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Dave H (MI)

07-26-2006 13:16:29




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
Let's see....12v versus 10,000v. I suspect if they feel it at all it might just be invigorating.
Head to the store.

Now personally, I have always wanted to rig up something that would fry their (expletive deleted) deader than (expletive deleted) in about two seconds. Then I would pull up a lawn chair and sit out there with a bowl of popcorn and watch the fun. Killed 12 coons in 5 days last week but had to do it the old fashioned way. Durned chicken killing, garden raiding sons of..... !!!

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old

07-26-2006 13:15:26




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
Nope if it doesn't zap you and most of the time a 12 volt battery will not zap you then it will not work. Now you could rig up a coil and a set of points and hook that up but you would have to be able to keep opening and closeing the points just like it was on an engine.



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RAB

07-26-2006 14:29:18




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to old, 07-26-2006 13:15:26  
Of course this will work, but it is a very poor way of using energy! Battery will be totally dead in a day or so! A fencer is umpteen times as efficient.
Regards, RAB



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RustyFarmall

07-26-2006 13:37:08




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to old, 07-26-2006 13:15:26  
Old, just wire one of those turn signal flasher units into the wire from the battery.



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old

07-26-2006 13:56:35




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-26-2006 13:37:08  
Thats a good one rusty, I never thought about that and it would most likely work. So maybe we have come up with a way for the guy to have his eletic fence and not spend much $$. Now if he only reads all the replies



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RustyFarmall

07-26-2006 14:04:58




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to old, 07-26-2006 13:56:35  
Old, I did build one that way. 12 volt battery, ignition coil from a Pontiac, turn signal flasher from a Ford, and I even had a condensor wired in there somewhere. The thing did work, but with no place for the built up charge to go, unless you shorted it, the charge in the wire just kept building up. I was afraid to actually use it, figgered it might kill a cow or something.



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old

07-26-2006 14:16:52




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to RustyFarmall, 07-26-2006 14:04:58  
That would be all the hard to hook up a way to discharge it. All you would have need to do was put a wire some place about 1/4-3/8 inch from the hot wire and have it ground. That way the chargew would jump that gap once in a while and it would work just find. I'm also not sure a charge would even build up in a fence any how unless it worked like a capaitor some how



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RustyFarmall

07-26-2006 14:22:29




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to old, 07-26-2006 14:16:52  
Believe me, it did build up a charge. I would let it run for awhile with no place to jump to, and then I would short it to ground. One heck of a huge spark.



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Allan In NE

07-26-2006 13:20:05




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to old, 07-26-2006 13:15:26  
Oh yeah,

You mean like a 12 volt fence charger? :>)

Allan



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old

07-26-2006 13:23:46




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Allan In NE, 07-26-2006 13:20:05  
Yep thats sort of the idea. I once rigged up a mag to do just that and it worked ok. Not the best set up but when you need and don't have the $$ to buy you do what you have to do. I just hooked a small eletric motor to the mag and hooked the plug wires to the fence and grounds the mag body to the ground. As I sadi not the best set up but it did work



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Nebraska Cowman

07-26-2006 13:06:10




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
I doubt it. I've had people tell me they could "feel" 12 volts but I never could.

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RAB

07-26-2006 14:25:05




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 07-26-2006 13:06:10  
NB,
Here is your opportunity to do just that!
Put the terminals of one of them little pp3 (9 volt smoke detector type battery) on your tongue - you should feel it easily! Let us know the result!
Our typical resistance to earth is about 10k ohms (probably not sweating in the heat of the last few days), so not enough current (well energy, as in volts x amps = Watts or joules per second)unless volts is high.
That is why the typical mains trip "test" circuit is a resistor to earth of around that value!
Regards, RAB

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John T

07-26-2006 13:05:20




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
Sorry, I doubt a mere 12 volts DC would stop or even slow down them darn coons. Ive known of dudes to use the 120 VAC hot phase wire with a light bulb in series as a current limiter and jury rig up something but thats sure not any National Electrical Code permissible application and a person could get hurt besides sooooo o you didnt hear that from meeeee eeeee lol.

John T



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RustyFarmall

07-26-2006 13:05:11




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
I doubt if that will have much of an effect. Might be time to make a trip to the farm store, Even the cheap fencers will do the job for coons.



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Allan In NE

07-26-2006 13:04:45




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Coon Hunter, 07-26-2006 12:56:37  
Nope,

Wouldn't have any shock at all cause that is DC voltage.

All you'll end up doing is probably starting a fire. :>)

Allan



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

07-26-2006 16:39:53




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 Re: Car battery electric fence ????? in reply to Allan In NE, 07-26-2006 13:04:45  
Fly gramules with coke. They drink and go about 20 feet.



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