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Buzzman72

07-24-2006 08:32:31




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My mom recently "parted out" an old 1948 something-or-other mobile home trailer, and now she would like me to take the frame and running gear and build her a flatbed trailer for hauling hay [square bales] and such. The trailer was a tandem-axle version, with electric brakes on the rear axle.

The frame is tubular sheet metal, not over 1/8" thick if that. The main frame rails are boxed, and the crossmembers are 2x4 C-channels made of the same material. The original trailer home was constructed by attaching wooden 2x2's or 2x4's to the crossmembers, and then building up from there.

I'd guess that the best bet might be to take some 4x4's [I'm thinking maybe oak or a similar hardwood], and then building the flatbed on top of that. The outer edges of the frame are 53-1/2" apart, and the measurement between the brake backing plates is 62-1/2". Rather than deal with fenders, I'm considering building the platform for the flatbed to ride above the wheels; second option is to build a set of fenders out of 3/16" steel [diamond-plate ?] and then just build the main section of the bed between the fenders. The frame has extensions out to the sides, made of the same bent-sheet metal channel, that add 21" to each side beyond the 53" frame rail width...for a total of 95", or a nominal 8-foot dimension.

So I'll end up with a trailer that's 8 feet wide, and the frame is 25 feet, 3 inches overall length [13'9" from the front crossmember to the center of the axles, and 11'6" to the rear]. I'm thinking about building the deck out of some sort of expanded metal, like they do with landscape trailers...but with a pair of 1/8" x 18" wide "tracks" [dimensions taken from an alignment rack] in case we need to haul a vehicle on the trailer. I'm also thinking that a dovetail on the back would ease loading and unloading of a vehicle...anyone know what the recommended angle on that might be?

I'd appreciate any and all input. I'm estimating the trailer capacity not to exceed 7,000 pounds, based upon the one axle with brakes. It has 5-lug wheels, so that's another clue that the capacity isn't gonna be eye-popping. I'm open to suggestions, ideas and corrections to my assumptions, and all comments will be appreciated.

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Bill in NorthCentral PA

07-24-2006 18:58:14




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to Buzzman72, 07-24-2006 08:32:31  
We have about what you're going to build. We laid 2x4 flat on the frame rails and then cross decked with 2x8 stock. The outriggers down the sides got cut off to match the board length (trailer width) and we bolted 2x4 runners down both sides. We bolted everything and it holds up to use several times per year for about 15 years now.

Good luck,

Bill



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Leroy

07-24-2006 16:22:03




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to Buzzman72, 07-24-2006 08:32:31  
I think the frame will be strong enough but the problem will be with those electric brakes as they were for 6 volt systems as the 12 volt batteries were not yet used. and a dovetail would make it so you could not load any bales on it as it would cause them to tip and fall off the back end and I think it should have the Ford size lug spacing that is common to any 5 lug implement wheels. I have a 1951 model 8' wide by 33' long trailer I want to when I get the time make into an implement hauller trailer (implements only - no tractors) it currently has 2 axles with the 6 lug Chevy wheels for 7:00X15" tires, I plan to ad anouther axle in back of the ones that are there for more load capacity. when I get mine done it should measure 35' long bed and 8' wide. I plan to fasten a treated 2x4 on top of the frame rails to fasten treated 2x4 cross members to like my hay wagons then use 5/4 (1") thick treated deck boards lengthwise. The problem I know I will run into is the 6 volt brake magnets along with brake shoes that are probably shot and hope the brake drums are OK. The extra axle will not have brakes. The loads I am planing to haul are antique machinery to shows.

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KEH

07-24-2006 13:19:49




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to Buzzman72, 07-24-2006 08:32:31  

Thanks for response. The frame rails may be made from hard steel which would make it stronger.

A Farmall Cub will not be a significant load. You might consider making long ramps instead of going to the trouble to make a dovetail.

KEH



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Luke S

07-24-2006 10:46:33




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to Buzzman72, 07-24-2006 08:32:31  
As others have said, your deck size will acomadate a lot more than the trailer can handle. Frame is probably not strong enough, and axle's/wheels/tires probably aren't either. Now, if this rig is going to stay on the farm and not go down the road, it just might work. But I would darn sure not want to go down the highway with that thing loaded with hay. I'll be the frist to admit that I haul loads that are way to big and a lot of people think I am crazy, but I run a 48' flatbed trailer that weighs 8,000lbs by itself, so it has got some steel in it and I don't have to worry about it buckling under the load as you may have to with this rig you are talking about.

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mjbrown

07-24-2006 10:18:42




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to Buzzman72, 07-24-2006 08:32:31  
May I suggest getting a copy of the book in Northern Tool catalogue about building trailers. To tow right you need to have the correct dimensions. Like 70%x30% axel placement. 70 in front 30 to rear.



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VADAVE

07-24-2006 09:17:23




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to Buzzman72, 07-24-2006 08:32:31  
7K probably about right for capacity, porblem is that with 25 foot long and 8 foot wide you will get there pretty quick.
If you decide on fenders might look at the pre-made ones as they are about what you would have in making them.
Expanded metal deck would work fine, you will need to support it on each cross frame and on the main frame.

I recently finished bringing a old (1981) trailer back to life and commented to the wife "for what I have in it I could have bought one". Of course I know exactly how it's built.

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Ha Rumph

07-24-2006 08:44:00




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to Buzzman72, 07-24-2006 08:32:31  
By the time you build a deck it will be at or near capacity.

Maybe if you build a trailer to haul it on, it will work.



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Buzzman72

07-24-2006 08:58:31




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to Ha Rumph, 07-24-2006 08:44:00  
Maybe you missed it, but I'm looking at a deck of expanded metal--the stuff that's more daylight than material--and not 4" or 6" oil-soaked oak. So the deck won't even approach the weight of the original house trailer EMPTY...and it held together just fine.

Thanks for your comments anyway.



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Buzzman72

07-24-2006 08:54:18




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to Ha Rumph, 07-24-2006 08:44:00  
So are you saying that the rectangular tube frame is too weak? Same stuff the Ford Explorer frame is made of, as well as a lot of pickup trucks these days [I built Explorer frames for 5 years, so I know what they're made of].

Thanks for your comments.



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KEH

07-24-2006 12:09:01




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to Buzzman72, 07-24-2006 08:54:18  
I have built some trailers and hauled square bales in my younger days before I got a round baler. Some observations:

You did not say what size tires you will be using. If you are using the 8.00 x 14.5 lowboy tires they will carry the hay you are likely to put on it.
When I was hauling square bales, I wanted the trailer to be as close to the ground as possible. If you build an 8 ft. wide bed above the wheels it will be higher to throw the bales up but if you have 2 people working it won't be as much of a problem and the extra capacity will make up for the inconvenience.
I think if you add a dovetail to the back it will take too much weight off the tongue making it pull badly. When hauling hay on rough ground a dovetail might drag the ground also. I have this problem on a gooseneck trailer. The axle spacing is ok for the trailer as is.
I don't think you gave the depth of the frame members, but they probably are plenty strong. If the strength worries you, weld a flat plate on one side of the rails the length of the trailer. 1/8 x 4 inches should be more than enough.
Was this a travel trailer or a mobile home? The width between the wheels sounds narrow for a mobile home. The last trailer I made had 6 1/2 feet between the wheels. That barely wide enough for a medium sized tractor. However, you have to go with what you have.
Don't forget lights and safety chains if you are going to run it on the road.
Hope this helps.

KEH

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Buzzman72

07-24-2006 13:04:05




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 Re: Seeking Trailer Building Advice in reply to KEH, 07-24-2006 12:09:01  
This was a mobile home built in 1948, so the specs are about what you'd find on a modern travel trailer. The frame rails are 2"x4" square tube, but they are no more than 1/8" stock. As far as hay goes, I don't anticipate loading this anything like a conventional hay wagon...probably not over 4-6 bales high, if that, as Mom is down to just 3 horses and doesn't anticipate increasing the herd. Hay would probably be loaded out of a cousin's barn, rather than out of the field, so the dovetail shouldn't be a problem.

The wheels are 5-lug, and I plan to use load range C or D tires [old 6/8 ply rating]. Plans are to install a Bulldog-style hitch in place of that old original, and a decent SIDE-winding jack [too many memories of busted knuckles with the top winders on the old 2-horse trailers].

The idea of being able to haul a vehicle is only for occasional use, and not a regular function. Mom's Farmall Cub with a belly mower will be the primary tractor hauled on it. So it's primary for light-duty use, and won't usually see anything as heavy as most landscape trailers get.

Thanks for your comments.

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