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Honest Guys anymore?

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Rich Griffin

07-14-2006 16:48:30




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I just got back from a 2500 mile trip to pick up 2 tractors that were suppose to be in better shape than what they really are. Just was wondering, where did the honesty go? I bought these off the web. I have sold on the web also and I got back good reports by being honest so I trusted who I was dealing with. Wrong thing to do I guess. These two that I just dealt with make a bad name for us honest{I know there are some out there} guys. How do we sort them out?

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Dean Barker

07-15-2006 08:26:26




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 Re: Honest Guys anymore? in reply to Rich Griffin, 07-14-2006 16:48:30  
I always ask about 50 questions about features, maintenance, and how used. If they take the time to answer all the questions, they are honest. If you are knowledgeable about mechanical things, usually you can tell when the answers are lies. Seems to work.



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dr.sportster

07-15-2006 08:01:17




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 Re: Honest Guys anymore? in reply to Rich Griffin, 07-14-2006 16:48:30  
Since you had to drive far to get them anyway why didnt you just make the deal when you got there?I just got burned on ebay myself for a tank where some photos did not show the real damage.1% of the population is criminal.



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Billy NY

07-15-2006 05:25:00




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 Re: Honest Guys anymore? in reply to Rich Griffin, 07-14-2006 16:48:30  
I've bought a few things site unseen, and both had some issues that would have allowed me to hack some dollars off the price had I been able to see them up front, but because each was a model of something I kind of wanted, and knowing I'm sure to find something not mentioned after getting it home, it's part of the game.

My old ford tractor, this I went and looked at, knew it was worn, and I've done quite a bit of work on since, but I've gotten my use from it, also hacked the seller on it, so I did ok.

Old F-600, knew she had some rust, but nothing unrepairable and all the other potential old truck problems etc., asked the guy if the frame had any issues, he lied, bold faced lied, said it had power steering too, ha ha ha, LOL and was so darn cheap he sold it to me with a bad alternator, almost dead battery, bad voltage regulator fully knowing I had to drive 800 miles to get it home. Thinking about it, I still cannot believe it made it, must have just kept enough voltage going to make it, I stopped in Toledo around midnite for fuel, right off the highway, not a good place to break down either. The frame had issues, but nothing un-repairable, it's done, and been tested out with a heavy load, but yeah, the guy was a liar, but it was an old truck taken on trade, he deals with mostly newer trucks, so he probably sold it without looking it over and just wanted to get rid of it, I should have hammered him on the price some more, help pay for the repair parts and materials etc. Things always look better in pictures. He had no clue of it's condition, but at least it will pass inspection now, and I'm currently doing more work, soon it will be in good mechanical shape and is also a favorite model, will be retired, further restored and my upgrade will do the work.

Grabbed an old D7, site unseen, but did look at the photos intently, seller was honest, hours were true, like 993 tobe exact, thats why I bought it, tracks almost new, they checked out, but the pilot bearing in the clutch had not been greased since before he got it, I'll bet he knew it was going, some vibration was easily noticed, it went 15 hours after I ran it, would not take grease anyways, feel cheated ? Naaah, would have called for hacking a few bucks off, but the rest of the tractor still was really low hours and that is really hard to find, so I really did not mind, all of this stuff is old antiquated equipment, you try and see it for what it is, but it's as is when bought, so if you think it's worse than was represented, still interested, hammer the seller on the price, nothing wrong with that, it's your money that the seller does not have until you agree to a number that works for you.

I did not get taken, but I could have done better on the price of some of these things, if you are looking at something, speculating what it may be worth after a restoration or made operational, be it for re-sale or your own use, that has a value, so you hammer the seller as best you can, if you can't agree, go elsewhere, if the seller is greedy, you'll know right away. All of these things will take a lot more money to restore than will be worth, I look at it like this, if it's something I want, will use etc. plan to keep, you do the best you can to find the one that suits your needs for the money.

I've never gone back and bad mouthed any of these people, the truck seller I could have put the boots to in this respect, but it's not even worth the time and had I been hosed on any of the deals, it would have been my fault 100%. Sometimes you find great stuff, inexpensive, that you know is in good shape, from someone you know or its self evident, other times it can be a lot different, if you buy site unseen, you don't have a clue, except what you are told, so you have to hammer the guy and get it for his bottom line or just walk away, it's that simple. I've paid asking prices, I really don't like beating people up, but I don't even look at something that is overpriced to begin with, if it's a fair asking price and I think it's got issues, you bet I'll see what the bottom line is before agreeing, you don't know what you are getting, so I think it's only fair. I think you are better off scrutinizing the piece of equipment, not the seller, seller can say anything and takes your money after you agree, if you cannot reasonably determine the condition of something and the price is not reasonable, I think it's a no brainer on what to do.

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JMS/MN

07-14-2006 23:04:47




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 Re: Honest Guys anymore? in reply to Rich Griffin, 07-14-2006 16:48:30  
For the last 34 years I could deal with two people within two miles of me that I could not trust. Early on I learned to not buy anything from either one that had an engine on it. It would be crap! Why buy on e-bay? You 'takes your chances, and throws your dice". If they can't sell it close by- it's on the www. Why?. Are there honest folks, ....sure, but I'd rather deal with someone I can look in the eye, and deal with the local county sheriff when the guy does me wrong.

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Roy Suomi

07-14-2006 21:01:00




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 Re: Honest Guys anymore? in reply to Rich Griffin, 07-14-2006 16:48:30  
My old boss at the truck equipment sales always said ," If a salesmens lips are moving , He's probably lying ". This goes also with unscrupulous people selling their wares.. I've been burnt on ebay , but not on anything real costly..I try not to purchase anything without seeing it in person first....



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Secret Squirrel

07-14-2006 20:02:50




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 Re: Honest Guys anymore? in reply to Rich Griffin, 07-14-2006 16:48:30  
I really think many folks don't know how to describe, or don't care. There are some "experts" in our area that just aren't good novices. This is beginning to show up in our local dealerships as well. They claim to be top guns, and they charge like it too. But in reality your lucky to get what you need.



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Garrobo

07-14-2006 17:37:41




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 Re: Honest Guys anymore? in reply to Rich Griffin, 07-14-2006 16:48:30  
Never trust anyone, especially a relative.



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Allan In NE

07-14-2006 17:04:03




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 Re: Honest Guys anymore? in reply to Rich Griffin, 07-14-2006 16:48:30  
What was wrong with the tractors, Rich?

Gotta reamember they are fifty years old and what one guy says is "okay" another picky feller like me might turn his nose up at it. :>(

Allan



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Eddie M

07-14-2006 17:02:29




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 Re: Honest Guys anymore? in reply to Rich Griffin, 07-14-2006 16:48:30  
If these tractors were not as advertised, did you buy them anyway? If so, aren't you helping these less than honest people stay in business?



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Rustyj14

07-14-2006 19:00:59




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 Re: Honest Guys anymore? in reply to Eddie M, 07-14-2006 17:02:29  
My motto has always been: If i can't see it, lay my hand on it, hear it run, try it out, then i don't buy it! Oh, i have bought a few things off the internet web site-s, but not much! When dealing with owners of machinery, who have it advertised, don't believe every thing you hear! Seeing is believing! And, if you like the deal, and buy it, be prepared to take it home with you! I have read reports in this column, about folks who have relied on pictures, sent a trucker to far-off places to bring it home, and when it gets to your place, it looks like a fugitive from the scrap yard! And, the check has already been cashed! Bye-bye money! As the old saying goes, "Let the buyer beware!" Rustyj

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