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Fud pucker

06-24-2006 11:29:02




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I have been using a Gallagher (spelling?)fence charger that is a 6 volt. I noticed the cows out this morning and began to investigate. The charger is putting out 8.9 according to my volt meter. I hooked it to the fence and it showed 0.2. I found one short after walking the fence. I repaired the short and I can only get it to 4.8 on the fence about one foot from the charger. I have it grounded with two pieces of re-bar sunk about four foot apiece. I notice the ground wire clamp was arking when I hooked it to one of the pieces of re-bar. As you can probably tell I am not too savvy when it comes to electricity. I have walked the fence two additional times and cannot find any other places where it is grounded out. The fence is less than 1/2 mile long and is poly wire and smooth wire. I put a brand new charger on it and got approximately the same results. I moved both chargers to a different fence and the were both hitting at 8.9. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Bill(Wis)

06-25-2006 09:41:01




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to Fud pucker, 06-24-2006 11:29:02  
File or scratch rebar at attach point and pour a pail of salt water on the ground around them. If that's the problem get an 8' piece of solid copper grounding rod to replace that rebar.



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730virgil

06-24-2006 21:14:27




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to Fud pucker, 06-24-2006 11:29:02  
where are your ground rods ? i had trouble until i moved ground rods to furthest corner of pasture that solved my problem . now if i can get tall kid to plug fencer back in after he works on it i have it made



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Dell (WA)

06-24-2006 21:06:10




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to Fud pucker, 06-24-2006 11:29:02  
Fudddy..... ....while a digital fence charger voltmeter is really nice and cool (and expensive).....gitta el-cheapo AM transistor radio tuned to NO STATION and walk yer fenceline again. The bad electric fence connection will become intuitively obvious by the static BIPP-BIPP-SCRATCH..... ..Dell, ex-radio engineer and believer in them multi-kilovolt buttwhampin' Gallager chargers



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Raleigh in Va.

06-24-2006 18:11:37




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to Fud pucker, 06-24-2006 11:29:02  
If you have a digital fence tester meter,go to the rods you used for ground rods and see how much voltage you have at those rods. If it's above .3(300 volts) you need to add real ground rods until you bring that voltage down to .3 or lower at the ground rod.

I've found over the years that there needs to be one ground rod per 1000 volts. And yes most of the year you can get by with less but for dry conditions that works best. Ground rods need to be placed no less than 10 ft. apart and stay away from building ground rods for ele. service/ and utility pole grounds too.

Ground rods should be 8 ft. and designed for that purpose only. Be it copper or galv. One more thing I've found over the years with HT fence. Ground rods wear out on these higher voltage fence chargers. They need to be replaced about every 6-7 years. The rod becomes pitted and doesn't give a good earth ground after some years on it.

Last fence charger I bought was a range master. Got it all hooked up on 4 ground rods. Was getting about 4,000 volts. Started adding rods and when I put the 7th rod in the voltage came up to 8,000. Added 4 more rods and got just over 12,000 volts out of it. Takes a lot of green grass to pull it down now.

Once I found how important ground rods were, I started drilling and tapping right in the top of the rod. Then use a crimp on lug on #6 wire. I bolt the lugs down to the rods and seal the connections with a medium voltage spray on coating. That's solved a lot of low fence voltage problems for me. To keep cows in I like 6,000V on my smaller fence chargers and 10-12,000V on the larger ones. Larger chargers have more fence load on them.

My cows haven't been outside the fence in 9 years now.

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Rauville

06-24-2006 15:55:50




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to Fud pucker, 06-24-2006 11:29:02  
The local REA, when they are taking down overhead lines at building sites always has for give-away those old heavy brown porcelain insulators from the buildings. Over the years, those are what I've used at fence corners. This year, I found that about 1/2 of them were shorting out. Apparently, the wire I used to tie them to the posts had deposited enough rust on them to provide a short circuit. I ran new tie wire through 1/8" rubber tubing, and everything worked.
So, even if everything looks OK...electricity can still find the path of least resistance.

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old

06-24-2006 15:27:47




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to Fud pucker, 06-24-2006 11:29:02  
If you used a normal volt meter you probably fried it. A fence charger puts out something like 10,000 plus volts but almost no AMPs. You have either a bad ground and if its been dry in your area then that could be the problem or you have a short some place in/on the fence.



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Nebraska Cowman

06-24-2006 14:42:40




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to Fud pucker, 06-24-2006 11:29:02  
I thought fence chargers put out several thousand volts? Never heard of checking one with a volt meter. I check with my pliers. If it won't jump a spark it won't keep cows in. And yes, these new fencers MUST be WELL GROUNDED. rusty rebar ain't gonna do it. Rust is a very good insulator. And 4 feet may not be deep enough in dry conditions. If the fencer puts out spark with the fence unhooked then your fence is still grounded somewhere. I like to check with the fencer running. Sometimes the spark will be jumping to ground. With only a half mile wire that thing should throw a blue spark nearly half an inch. That is enough to get any cow's attention.

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gorilla

06-24-2006 11:58:13




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to Fud pucker, 06-24-2006 11:29:02  
I would check the ground. How long are your ground rods? Also make sure you have a good connection on your ground. Make sure there is no rust where you make your connection. If you spliced any wires together make sure you have a good connection. Wrap each wire in tight wraps around the other wire several times. If you can disconnect a section of the fence & the output improves then you have isolated the section with the short. One other thing is if the ground is real dry around the ground rod especially in sand then you might not be getting a good ground. Good luck

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RAB

06-24-2006 11:49:16




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to Fud pucker, 06-24-2006 11:29:02  
Is one of the insulators on the fence in poor condition? Perhaps a bird dropping or the like just soaking away the juice? Fault seems to lie in the fence, as you have determined by substitution.
Regards, RAB



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TimS

06-24-2006 14:51:28




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to RAB, 06-24-2006 11:49:16  
Somewhere on that fence you have a loose connection or something like that. If you had a grounded out spot the voltage wouldn't be at 4,800 it would be below 1000. Check where your wire hooks onto the fence, make sure it has a good solid connection, also check anyplace that wire is spliced or jumper wires are used to bypass a gate or tie a corner together.



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Bill of TN

06-24-2006 18:02:30




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 Re: OT: need electric fence help in reply to TimS, 06-24-2006 14:51:28  
If you read the gallagaher manual they say 80% of electric fences are improperly grounded. The book also says a minimum of 3 6 foot ground rods spaced at least 10 feet apart.

I check my fence with one of the neon testers and my Gallagaher lights all 5 neon lights which indicates it's pushing over 5500 volts.

I got against it yesterday..... .man....I hate it when that happens!

My guess is if you don't see anything physically wrong then you probably have a grounding problem....just a guess....

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