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Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on

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DigDugNC

06-21-2006 22:46:56




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SO, we all disagree which is the best method to weight your tires using fluid, so heres another question(since Im staying up late). Would you get better traction by filling your tires with fluid or running a dry tire and strapping on wheel weights or other hang on weights? Lets assume we have one test tractor (It dont matter what brand guys) and two sets of matching tires. One set is filled with 500Lbs per tire of fluid. and the other set is just air, but you have 1,000Lbs of hang on weights. Which set would give you better traction in the field pulling a heavy implement? Which set would give you better traction pulling a weight sled on a track at a tractor pull? Seems to me like there can't be any better way to get the weight over the tires than to have them filled with fluid, but of course the hang on weights can be moved to the front or rear of the tractor to better distribute the weight. O.K. Blast away lets here some opinions!!!!

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buickanddeere

06-22-2006 17:14:51




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 Re: Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 22:46:56  
Dry tires and external cast weights pull more and use less fuel, all other factors identical. Field tests by the tire companies prove that one. Should the unfortunate happen with a tire puncture or a failed/torn off valve stem. The dry tire is cheaper, faster and less mess/damage to repair/change. Calcuim Chloride does a real number on paint/metal in just minutes. A dry tire with external weights rides better than a filled tire as well. The only time to use internal ballast is when using a loader on a 2WD tractor. Is Tt suppliment the external cast weights which are also required. And either beet pulp or windshield washe r fluid are the only two sensible considerations. Why try to control/prevent a potential problem with cacl when you can just substitute and eliminate the problem?

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85_Ranger4x4

06-22-2006 10:21:09




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 Re: Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 22:46:56  
Fluid puts the weight right were it is needed. Pullers usually don"t use it because it takes them out of their lightest class. I can run my WD-45 in the 4000 dry, or 4500 with fluid, just one class you can"t pull in.



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muggsw6

06-22-2006 08:58:58




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 Re: Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 22:46:56  
Don't know about traction, but I much prefer wheel weights over fluid. Fluid seems to pull mighty hard. I would think that if fluid offered superior traction, pullers would be using it up to lowest weight class pulled in. my2cents Mark



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paul

06-22-2006 08:07:54




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 Re: Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 22:46:56  
Lower center of grav means liquid is better for loaders or tippy situations.

Not much diff on just towing.

--->Paul



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old

06-22-2006 08:05:42




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 Re: Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 22:46:56  
My self I believe you get better traction with the fluid , becuase the wieght is placed on the tread of the tire and air preassure never come it to play. Where as wheel weights put weight on but the tire has air in it so there a cusion of air between the weight and where the rubber meets the road. With fluid the weight is placed right on that part of the tire that is hitting the road/ground

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Dave from MN

06-22-2006 06:12:30




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 Re: Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 22:46:56  
I just replaced tires on the 544 and this time got the fluid. Major improvement during loader work. Disding, I am still not sure about, it seams like he put quit a bit of pressure in them and I lost some footpring. I would like to pressure them down some but not sure what is best PSI, I am assuming as long as my valve is at 12:00 I can let air out, but not positive



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Allan In NE

06-22-2006 07:09:35




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 Re: Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on in reply to Dave from MN, 06-22-2006 06:12:30  
Yeah Dave,

Dunno why, but those tire types always wanna put way too much air in 'em.

Put the valve one top and drop 'er down to 14 or 15 lbs.

Allan



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Ken Macfarlane

06-22-2006 04:48:24




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 Re: Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 22:46:56  
I would guess hang on weights give slightly better traction. The weight of the water in the tire at the same tire pressure would cause a slightly smaller contact patch.

Also over bumpy terrain the unfilled tire would be a bit quicker to conform to bumps in terrain.

What to the pullers use in competition? That would prolly settle it.



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MarkB_MI

06-22-2006 03:18:22




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 Re: Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 22:46:56  
I can't imagine there's any significant difference in the traction provided by liquid ballast versus weights.

Liquid ballast will give you a slightly lower center of gravity, which is a good thing.



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06-21-2006 23:35:47




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 Re: Traction: Fluid filled vs Hang on in reply to DigDugNC, 06-21-2006 22:46:56  
When your tractor starts spinning means a lot of things but I like differential lock.



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