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Hot hay bales?????

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SJ

06-16-2006 05:21:26




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Had a load of hay delivered the other day.I told the guy I thought they felt damp.Now Im kinda new to this farmin stuff and I know the guy pretty well,so I dont think he would intentionaly sell me a bad or dangerous product to get some quick cash,Ive been buying hay fron him for 3yrs now.Anyways he said hay had been on the wagon bout a week in the barn,so he started checking them for heat before putting them in my barn.We found 1 hot one.I was pretty amazed of the heat that came out of that bale.I swear it smoked when I opened it up.Now with this hay being on the wagon for a week and only finding one hot bale should I still be concerned about bales that werent in the least even warm.My barns insured(not that I want it to burn down)but I cant replace my horses.So I been leaving them out to pasture.Is there still a high risk here.Also what determines a dangerous bale? Just damp,wet,dripping?Is there something I can watch for(other than smoke)?If something does happen god forbid is the seller liable?
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Stan

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Mike (WA)

06-16-2006 08:00:45




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 Re: Hot hay bales????? in reply to SJ, 06-16-2006 05:21:26  
I would say if its been stacked on a wagon for a week, anything that was going to heat would have already done so (like the one hot bale you found). Since its for horses, I think I'd salt it anyhow, just to be safe (and the horses like the salt).



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LeRoy DeLong

06-16-2006 06:44:41




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 Re: Hot hay bales????? in reply to SJ, 06-16-2006 05:21:26  
When I was a youngster, I remember my father spreading salt over the hay when we had put it in the barn one year. When I asked him why, he said that the hay wasn't completely cured, and this would keep it from getting hot and help cure it. It must of worked, because it didn't spoil.



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Allan In NE

06-16-2006 05:43:54




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 Re: Hot hay bales????? in reply to SJ, 06-16-2006 05:21:26  
Stan,

When you opened up that "hot" bale, was it brown and discolored? Wet hay will spoil overnight and change colors. If this hay is a week old, it would have already molded inside too and you would have seen evidence of that inside the bale.

Also, testing for "hot" is a subjective thing. At 6am, they are all gonna feel hot because they retain the warm tempreatures from yesterday.

Don't think ya have anything to worry about.

Allan

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jubilee johnny

06-16-2006 06:12:35




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 Re: Hot hay bales????? in reply to Allan In NE, 06-16-2006 05:43:54  
Allan, I saw your photos of the cows you brought home. Made me think of our trip to pioneer village earlier in the month and drove by the Ft. Kearney stock yards on hiway 10. Now that bunch of cows know where the fences are! There must be 10,000 walking around in that orgnic fertilizer.



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Josh in PA

06-16-2006 05:37:45




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 Re: Hot hay bales????? in reply to SJ, 06-16-2006 05:21:26  
I am no expert, but generally hay that is baled before it is totally dry will heat, and then cool down as it cures. Hay that I have had heat up a good bit, generally does not keep well enough to feed to horses. That would be my first concern. There isn't much to look for, if the hay gets too hot it will begin to smolder in the middle of the pile and burn its way outward. I've never had it happen or seen it happen, but have heard if you open a pile that is smoldering, the rush of oxygen will really get the fire going. You could try a temperature probe, but I'm not sure what temperature to draw the line at for safety. If the hay was anywhere close to being dry enough to feed to a horse, I doubt that it would heat enough to be a fire threat. You may need to find other hay to feed though.
Josh

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old

06-16-2006 05:28:51




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 Re: Hot hay bales????? in reply to SJ, 06-16-2006 05:21:26  
I guess thats why I always do my best to bale the hay when its good and dry and will not cut the hay if the weather man is calling for rain.



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sammy the RED

06-16-2006 06:15:02




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 Re: Hot hay bales????? in reply to old, 06-16-2006 05:28:51  
Two years ago the weatherman said no rain for the next five days.
I knocked down 12 acres of hay that day. A lot of others must have seen the same weather report as there was a bunch of hay cut that day.

Welllll , it poured the very next afternoon, than again two days later. Took 10 days to get that hay baled & out of the field !

Weathermen..... hahaha !



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Billy NY

06-16-2006 09:44:09




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 Re: Hot hay bales????? in reply to sammy the RED, 06-16-2006 06:15:02  
I agree with what the others said, don't recall anything about using salt, will have to ask locally. I'm no hay expert, but did bale quite a bit when I was a youngster on the farm. My neighbor whom I buy from when he's got some good green hay baled, bales them loose, and will leave them on the wagon in the big pole barn until sold, he bales them loose, sometimes too loose, but still stay together, never have any problems there. We wait 2 weeks after it's baled to feed anyways.

It's good to be involved when buying hay, your help may not be as attentive to wet or moldy hay. So many variables involved. We used to buy 2000-3000 bales from a guy whose daughter worked for us, she was a bit defensive about dads hay, I never liked it and last year put a stop to it.

His fields were not up to par, weeds and an assortment of grasses, some bales ok, others not, horses picked through it mostly, left a bigger mess in the stalls taking longer to clean and choking the manure with too much hay/weeds etc., I compost it, theres enought money there to pay the taxes and then some, it works well I think.

He bales them heavy and tight like bricks, wet and dry sometimes, he claims the drier ones in the mow will absorb the moisture. Yeah buddy,each to their own!

Well I was running low and with 25 to feed had him send over a wagon with 200 bales one it, 26-30 were dangerously wet, and compacted heavily. I'm normally nice to everyone even when I should'nt never been a mean sort by any means, but I expressed my dissatisfaction, although I respect anyone who goes through the trouble to make these small squares regardless. Had I not been there, some might have ended up in the stack, I do recall a place nearby the house here that burned due to wet hay, quite a few horses died in that fire.

I set up some tarps in one of our barns, we then laid out all the wet bales, broke em open and let them dry, was not about the money, nor the wastem, but the hazard. Same hay goes moldy quite often, and or too much dust, so it's just not the right hay for us and we are not overly picky by any means, I've been trying to stockpile the good stuff when available. It's good you are aware of th situationm, I did not sleep well the night we go the wet hay, thinking what if I missed one, it was fresh off the field too. They were apologetic and I said no need, just glad we caught the wet ones and seperated them out of the stack. Was just not the right hay for us, no biggie, he sells it off anyways so no hard feelings either, just have to use care when buying and handling.

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Leon R

06-16-2006 15:51:04




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 Re: Hot hay bales????? in reply to Billy NY, 06-16-2006 09:44:09  
Heavy damp bales will almost always go bad. One way to keep tabs on a large stack in your barn is to push a metal rod into the middle and pull it out after a few days and see if it feels hot. It doesn't take long for bales with too high a moisture content to heat up and ruin.



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Billy NY

06-16-2006 19:21:00




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 Re: Hot hay bales????? in reply to Leon R, 06-16-2006 15:51:04  
That is a good idea, the metal will conduct the heat well. I've got a point and shoot temperature device, inexpensive but handy, soon as you pull the rod out, you can zap the end of the rod and probably get a good reading.



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