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Uncle

06-10-2006 14:22:11




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Is the bridge weight rating etched in stone? I recently bought some land I want to retire on and it has County Road Bridges. There is one that has a rating of 12,000lbs. I am over this with my truck and backhoe. Do I worry about it of just go on?




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Matt from CT

06-12-2006 10:34:45




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
Funny how much things change from State to State!

Anyway, in Connecticut, crossing a posted bridge exceeding the weight limit "shall constitute reckless driving" which puts it right near the top of stuff you don't want on your driving record.

Fortunately, most of the bridges are in good shape and I know very few that haven't been rebuilt over the last 20 years.



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RodInNS

06-12-2006 08:40:41




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
In Nova Scotia, if you break it, you bought it, if they catch you. Course, if the 110000# truck loaded with pulp wood is sitting with the front wheels in the water, between the spans, they kinda got you caught. Ignore the weight rating at your own peril. Personally, I wouldn't want to ride one into the water. Also consider, around here at least, that most of these bridges were built in the early part of the last century, were intended for horse and buggy, are one lane, and nobody ever dreamed of having up to 60 tonne loaded tri-axles crossing them. Their design owes nothing at this point. They've done their due, and a lot more. Check with your local road authority, and see what it's rated for...

Rod

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john in la

06-11-2006 09:23:45




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
Uncle You really should be asking your county road department this question. If you want internet advise we can give it to you but we are not your local law officer.

So is this a dead end road or is there another way in????? ?? That makes all the difference.

They make 2 kinds of weight signs. Yellow for caution and white for law in stone. If you go over a white sign bridge and break it you bought it. The sign will also have a different weight for straight trucks and trailers if it applies to this bridge.

I live on a dead end road that is posted. Our road department says we can bring what we need to in or out but he would just like us to be advised that the bridge is not concrete. If we can cut the load a little he would be happy.
It has a yellow sign.

Now with that said a bridge will hold a lot more than its rating. You need to take into account that you may have 2 trucks on the bridge at the same time. 1 each way. This is why the log and milk trucks can get across them and not break them. You may go across this bridge for years along with all the other local traffic but one day you may also be the one poor sucker it breaks on.

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Hugh MacKay

06-11-2006 08:52:31




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
Uncle: I'd check with the local road dept engineer. Just to be exactly sure what that sign means. I've seen bridges down with trucks on them, a costly adventure. It doesn't do the truck or load any good. Remember if you off load for crossing the bridge It could make the difference.

I know a guy that had the same cavalier attitude as one of your respondants. One exception he was knocking these bridges out on purpose. He was always hauling this D7 on a lowbed, just as tractor was about to leave bridge he'd let the dozer blade hit the side rails so only dozer and low bed went down. He got about 4 bridges and finally he had to pay for one. One day that proceedure turned the dozer crossways. He found his dozer and low bed impounded until he posted a bond to value of bridge. Some jurisdictions may not be that lenient.

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Jimmy King

06-11-2006 08:28:51




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
If you do decide to cross that bridge, stop and put your truck in grandma and creep across it don"t hit it doing 50 MPH.



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barnrat

06-11-2006 06:30:08




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
Bridge rating are purely for commercial traffic. An 80,0000 lb milk truck goes over the 12,000 bridge near our farm every day. But if 100 milktrucks went over that bridge every day it would fail. The 12,000 lb rating in in reference to the axle rating of a vehicle. No more than 12,000lbs per axle on non local traffic. Most farm tractors, school busses and local delivery and pickup are considered local traffic and exempt from bridge ratings anyway.

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Leroy

06-11-2006 18:24:14




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to barnrat, 06-11-2006 06:30:08  
Not that way in Ohio, that milk truck would put the driver in jail



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barnrat

06-12-2006 03:48:07




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Leroy, 06-11-2006 18:24:14  
How do you propose they pick up milk then? There are lots of farms on posted roads. I milk cows and drive log truck part time. I've never been to Ohio, but in NY and PA if I had to cross a 6 ton posted bridge to go pick up load of logs(which happens quite frequently) I can. If there is another way that isnt posted I would have to go that way.



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Leroy

06-12-2006 04:26:25




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to barnrat, 06-12-2006 03:48:07  
If you can't find a way around you load small and haul out and reload but we don't actually have that problem as there is not that many posted bridges and most roads have a second way in, very few dead end roads



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Billy NY

06-11-2006 06:25:48




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
I've seen what a tri-axle log truck looks like, after the brige collapsed, it had fallen in and was wedged where the span used to be. This was a light duty bridge and I don't recall if it was privately owned or what, but the results of it collapsing was obviously not a good thing.

This is one of those things that you really should get the intimate details about, with the resident engineer in the munincipality and or whomever the presiding authority is.

When you think about a span, you have to realize that it does have a maximum live load, hopefully with some safety margin beyond that.

When you drive your rig over the span, each of the axles are going to impose/transfer a portion of the gross overall weight of your truck/trailer combination onto the span. Like was mentioned if it works out that none of the axles point load the span in excess of the maximum allowable load, it's possible that it may work, but I'd make sure someone gave me authorization like the engineer after doing some calculations and or whatever it takes.

I recall while in college, we used to build beams of concrete and place them in a machine that had a roller that imposed a live load to the beam, you could apply enough weight to it until failure, then analyze the results depending on what section of it failed, left, right, or middle section. The roller is kind of like an axle of a loaded truck, deflecting the beam until failure, with the exception it's just one beam not an entire structure.

Not trying to lecture here, it's an interesting subject, how things like this actually work.

Another thing to consider, the design may say one thing on paper, but what is the actual condition of the bridge,is it of modern construction or an older one? Has it been de-rated, or inspected recently to insure it's still capable of it's original design loads ? That is an important aspect of this. If it's even remotely questionable, I'd not even go near it until it was properly inspected and evaluated and the ok given.

In addition to that, because I'm such a detailed orientated pain in the behind, having worked with structural engineers closely on many projects, I'd measure the axle to axle distances, width of the axles etc. get the loaded truck and trailer weighed, and include that for submission to the engineer, requesting permission to cross the bridge as configured and or something along these lines, I'd want some sort of approval in writing. Providing this information is not all that complicated, get to a scale, measure everything, call the person up, ask if any other information is needed and send it in, let them bear the responsibility of providing a definitive response of yes or no.

Guessing, like was mentioned, it's like gambling, with the odds stacked against you.

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Joe-Bob/IN

06-11-2006 06:00:08




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
Not sure how they calculate those load ratings. We have several around here and they are all 4 ton load limits yet year after year we and others roll over them in tractors, combines and grain trucks topping 30 ton. No problems yet, heck even our county drives over them in their tandem trucks.



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Jim J. (WA)

06-10-2006 21:29:15




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
as a county bridge inspector in the state of WA i agree with others that have said 'if you break it you pay for it'. you're best bet is to contact the county bridge department to see what you can do to get it over the bridge. is the backhoe over 12,000lbs on it's own? if not, you could take it off the trailer and drive it across seperately then reload. a hassle, but better than paying for a new bridge. like one person said, if the truck and trailer is long enough and the bridge is short enough you won't have the whole package on the bridge at once.
if in doubt, contact the county bridge engineer and he/she can help you figure out what you can do to get it across legally and safely.

..... ....Jim

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buickanddeere

06-11-2006 10:20:21




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors, dog test in reply to Jim J. (WA), 06-10-2006 21:29:15  
It's possible the bridge would be less stressed with the backhoe on the trailer rather than driving the backhoe across solo. The backhoe's weight is concentrated over a short wheelbase vs. the span between the highway tractor's rear axles and the low bed axles. A backhoe tends to bob and bounce a bit. That could easily double or triple the load on the bridge per bounce. Also is the bounce of the tractor is "in rhythm" /same frequency or a harmonic. The backhoe could shake/bend the bridge to bits as it sways/bounces with higher amplitude. Anyone who has stood on an elevated wooden floor like a hayloft or wooden foot bridge. They have suddenly felt the floor/bridge shake, feeling it was starting to give way underneath them. The cause turned to be just the dog trotting along the same structure.

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idontno

06-10-2006 16:30:00




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
It depends on how long the bridge is.Also it depends on how long ur truck and trailer is.If you don"t get more than 12,000 lbs on it at the same time you won"t be overloading it..idontno



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marlowe

06-10-2006 15:18:10




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
in stone or you bought it any way thats the way it is in wi.



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IaGary

06-10-2006 14:28:31




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 Re: Bridge Ratings and Tractors in reply to Uncle, 06-10-2006 14:22:11  
Uncle

Here in Iowa if you get caught crossing an embargoed bridge you pay a fine.

If you break the bridge you may be paying for a new bridge.

You decide.

Gary



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