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off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel

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ric1

06-03-2007 16:21:25




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does anyone here know the exact difference between these two fuels




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dej(jed)

06-04-2007 10:29:06




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 Re: off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel in reply to ric1, 06-03-2007 16:21:25  
The one thing you guys are missing on the difference between home heating oil and diesel fuel is the lack of cetane. Home heating oil will run well enough, but prolonged use is bad news.



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Bob

06-04-2007 10:48:02




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 Re: off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel in reply to dej(jed), 06-04-2007 10:29:06  
For use in all but the latest high-tech engines (common rail, etc.) you guys obsess WAY too much.

With the older stuff, the only thing to REALLY worry about is getting on the wrong side of the taxman (dyed fuel used "on-road").



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Oldmax

06-04-2007 04:41:43




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 Re: off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel in reply to ric1, 06-03-2007 16:21:25  
The Operating manuel for my tractor tells you to use #1 in the winter .



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john in la

06-03-2007 20:23:10




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 Re: off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel in reply to ric1, 06-03-2007 16:21:25  
The exact difference will depend on who your supplier is.

#2 High sulphur diesel has up to 5000 ppm of sulphur. It can only be used as off road and will always have a red dye added.

#2 Low sulphur diesel has up to 500 ppm of sulphur. It can be used on road in all 2006 and older vehicles. It can also have a red dye added and be sold as off road no tax fuel.

#2 Ultra Low sulphur diesel has up to 15 ppm of sulphur. It can be used on road in all vehicles including 2007 and up. It can also have a red dye added and be sold as off road no tax fuel.

Since all stations want to be able to sell to all buyers including owners of 2007 trucks they stock Ultra low sulphur at most stations.

Since bulk tanks are very expensive to buy and maintain most suppliers just add dye to the Ultra low they already have in stock.

If you buy from a large supplier that sells a lot of off road fuel they can justify the extra tank cost so may have lower grades of off road diesel available. You can also get lower grades of off road diesel if you have your supplier load it at the loading rack and deliver a transport load direct to you. The minimum delivery charge for diesel from a transport truck is based on 7000 gals.

The differance between #2 off road diesel and #2 heating oil is the code the computer charges for the load. It is loaded out of the same tank using the same hose. The computer only charges it differant.

The differance in most heating oil that consumers buy is due to the fact that the supplier adds #1 diesel or kero into the #2 to keep it from jelling in the tank.

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jmixigo

06-03-2007 16:26:16




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 Re: off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel in reply to ric1, 06-03-2007 16:21:25  
On road has a tax and no red dye added.

Off road has a red dye and no tax added.



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Wardner

06-03-2007 17:16:38




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 Re: off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel in reply to jmixigo, 06-03-2007 16:26:16  
So let's compare red-dyed home heating oil to red-dyed off-road fuel.

I recently pumped out 200+ gals of heating oil from a tank owned by a homeowner who recently switched to natural gas. I am thinking about using it in my IH diesel tractors. I have a 12v explosion-proof pump with a filter on the discharge.

In days gone by before retirement, I had no problem running 1000 gals per month in my Detroit Diesel powered air compressors. I am not sure that modern fuels are interchangeable. Does anyone know? Should I be using an additive?

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Doug in Illinois

06-03-2007 18:46:24




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 Re: off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel in reply to Wardner, 06-03-2007 17:16:38  
I see one of the replies mentioned something about the sulfur content. I have been using the new low sulfur in my Ford 5000 diesel row crop. Back in 81 or 82 I worked for a Case dealer who also sold fuel and heating oil. Back then the main difference between true diesel and the heating oil is that the heating oil was more like number 1 diesel fuel, or a little more like kerosene depending on just how darn cold it was going to be. Wouldn't worry at all if you would blend it with some new fuel, only because of the fact it may be more like winter grade fuel.

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RodInNS

06-03-2007 18:44:55




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 Re: off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel in reply to Wardner, 06-03-2007 17:16:38  
I think the sulphur content in the heating oil is about 5000 ppm, while in the ULSD, it should be around 15 ppm. That won't matter. The heating oil will also have more parafin ( I think), because they don't remove it from the heating oil. It COULD, and a I say could become a problem in very cold weather, but this time of year is no problem.
I wouldn't worry too much about additives, but it never hurts to use a fuel conditioner just to help dispell moisture. I'd use the furnace oil. Just don't get caught.

Rod

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Bus Driver

06-03-2007 18:02:00




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 Re: off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel in reply to Wardner, 06-03-2007 17:16:38  
Your IH Diesels will be very happy with the heating oil.



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ric1

06-03-2007 17:13:58




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 Re: off/road #2 diesel vs #2 auto diesel in reply to jmixigo, 06-03-2007 16:26:16  
is there much difference in the sulphur content of the two



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