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mitchp

05-22-2006 07:30:34




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Went to the gas station yesterday to get some diesel in my truck and noticed a big sticker on the pump that said "New Low Sulfer Diesel Fuel" what is this stuff? what does it do over the regular diesel?




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Roger P

05-22-2006 15:51:31




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 Re: OT/diesel fuel in reply to mitchp, 05-22-2006 07:30:34  
I think you guys are over reacting, Europe has been running on low sulpher diesel for many years now, I believe as low as 15ppm, they have old tractors too and it never did cause them any problems. The refiners will put out a product that works for engines new and old.Good point about maybe with cleaner fuel we will have access to some of the worlds best diesel vehicles at last.Startling performance and 50 miles to the gallon..... .yes I want some of that. One last thought, we are not only doing this for ourselves,we are doing it for all who come after us, think about it..... .

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Richard Scott

05-22-2006 19:23:34




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 Re: OT/diesel fuel in reply to Roger P, 05-22-2006 15:51:31  
I agree completely. You should start seeing a lot more diesel cars and small pickups available after January, because it will be a lot easier for manufactuers to meet the emission standards with low sulphur fuel. Emission regs & lack of manufactuer interest (didn't believe Americans would buy many diesels because gas was cheap) are the reasons you can't find many diesel sedans in the US.

We drove a diesel Golf in Europe for a couple weeks and the only difference we noticed was that the fuel gage didn't move down very fast. Got somewhere close to 50 mpg & ran 80 on the freeways.

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john in la

05-22-2006 08:25:55




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 Re: OT/diesel fuel in reply to mitchp, 05-22-2006 07:30:34  
It is a new law that goes into effect June 1 that we are gearing up for now. We have 7 years (if I remember correctly) to convert over 100% but need to be some where around 70% by June 1.

Right now road fuel is 500 ppm or less sulfer.
We are changing over to 50 ppm or less sulfer call ultra low sulfer diesel.
All 2007 and newer diesels have to use the ultra low diesel.

Over time the High sulfer (red diesel) 5000 ppm will go by by and Low sulfer 500 ppm will become our new off road red dye diesel.

To put it in terms that a 40 year old will understand..... .....
We are going from regular leaded gas to No lead gas; just diesel this time. Its a EPA thing.

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Tramway Guy

05-22-2006 08:31:45




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 Re: OT/diesel fuel in reply to john in la, 05-22-2006 08:25:55  
I would add that sulphur in Diesel fuel mixed with water can create suphuric acid which is not particularly good for fuel system components. Another reason to drain your water separator regularly.
Europe has been using the ultra-low sulphur fuels for a while, now. And many of the foreign diesel cars which are extremely popular elsewhere will now be able to meet our emission standards thanks to the new fuel. So look for Honda and Toyota to start selling their deisels here now, as well as Mercedes to re-enter the market. And you can get a Mercedes engine in the Jeep Cherokee right now, if you don't live in California, New York, or Vermont!

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TomTX

05-22-2006 08:22:54




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 Re: OT/diesel fuel in reply to mitchp, 05-22-2006 07:30:34  
It is the new low sulpher fuels, which will be standard. Don't listen to old wive's tales; sulpher DID NOT lubricate anything and sulpher is bad for all engines, including the old ones. The problem was that in the refining process of removing the sulpher, the lubricity of the fuel was lowered thus causing the problem of not enough lub for the older pumps. This problem is easily fixed. Buy some diesel fuel additive and use it. One brand is APS (American Power Service) another is Shell DFA. When you use one quart of these to 50 gallon of diesel, you rasise the lubricity, raise the cetane, prevent gelling, lub the pump, clean/lub the injectors, stabilize the fuel for storage, remove moisture, etc, etc. I have been doing this for years and years; now I am 65, and have not in the last 20 years had to remove an injector, rebuild a pump, or any other fuel related repairs (other than a lift pump failure). If bought by the quart, it costs about $5 or a little less, and is cheaper by the gallon. This adds about 10 cents per gallon, which in my mind is well worth it. Tom

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the tractor vet

05-22-2006 08:38:02




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 Re: OT/diesel fuel in reply to TomTX, 05-22-2006 08:22:54  
Yep nothing that money can't fix and it only adds .10 a gallon more , now stop and think about this if you are only burning a few gallons a week then maybe ten cents is not that much more but now if your burning a 500 gal. aweek every week then that ten cents adds up fast and people that sell this addative are raken in the bucks at our expence . So as if we are not apyen enough for every gallon of fuel that we buy now we also have to add another dime to it or fix our pumps and injectors and that gets into bigger bucks or we have to JUNK all of the older stuff that we have that is paid for and spend money that most of us do not have to by the lastest and greatest new junk . At the rate that things are going the only ones that will be farming before long will be the Amish and when the trucking industry can no longer afford to run because of the higher operating cost and you can no longer move the containers off the dock you you can get your made in Chinia goods and ya can no longer afford to go to work at walmarts or McDonalds because we have to add this or that to keep going . But then again it is only a dime here and dime there more a gallon .

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john in la

05-22-2006 08:51:17




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 Re: OT/diesel fuel in reply to the tractor vet, 05-22-2006 08:38:02  
and it only adds .10 a gallon more

You better hope that is all it adds. They are fighting right now about the transports contaminating the Ultra low diesel.
They say if you haul just a little of the Low sulfer on your last load and do not get the tank perfectly clean you will contaminate the Ultra low on your next load.
They are contemplating using Ultra low exclusive only tanks to haul the stuff like they do for jet fuel now.
No one knows where we will fall right now but those pencil pushers are trying to come up with a answer.

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The tractor vet

05-22-2006 09:45:44




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 Re: OT/diesel fuel in reply to john in la, 05-22-2006 08:51:17  
Well i don't know what will the end resualts will be over the long haul of all this B/S but you can bet your sweet arrs that it will put the hurst to everyone in the end . Just stop and think about it . Now yes i am DATEING myself here but way back many many moons ago ya made 2-5 bucks and hour and if you were on the bottom of the food chain even at the 2 buck and hour wage you could work one full day and make 16 bucks before unclesam go a pice of ya but with what was left you could fill you car with gas take your date out to a movie and stop and have a couple bugers and frys and a shake on friday nite and still have money left over for saturday night with the guys .And you could drive all the next week to work on that tank of gas ya bought friday evening . You could walk into any show room and buy a new set of go fast wheels for under 2500 bucks . Now today ya need to make over 13 bucks and hour to just fill your tank on your pick up before taxes and as far as going out with the wife for just a quiet dinner with no frills that takes ya and other 3/4 of a days wages . Now ya want to add just a nother dime to the cost here and a dime there and just try and find a job that you can get for 13 bucks and hour .

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c hess

05-22-2006 08:04:14




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 Re: OT/diesel fuel in reply to mitchp, 05-22-2006 07:30:34  
(new sticker) on pump here said fuel contains 500ppm sulphur an is against federal law to burn in 07 engines. Guess later in season lower sulphur content fuel is coming



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the tractor vet

05-22-2006 08:01:29




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 Re: OT/diesel fuel in reply to mitchp, 05-22-2006 07:30:34  
Well if this is the new and improved version over the last round of sulfer reduction then it will end up costing all of us with older diesels more money in repairs . Ah , the EPA ( END of PROPERIOUS AMERICA) Just look at how they have made things better over the years , Years ago a full size car with a modist V8 enging got on a trip 18-19 miles to a gal . My 71 Duster 340 with a 727 slush box with 3.23 rear gears driving like i did back then ( like a wild man) got over 19.7 on long trips running over 80 mph now today with a V8 your lucky to see 15-16 and poken along like grandpaw farmer on a sunday and when ya stomp on the go pedal ya get this warm fuzzy feeling like stepping on a rotten old plum . They have run jobs out of the country caused the rise of prices and added expence of repairs . Now it will be a wait and see on just what the lower sulfer fuels will do to older injection systems , Heck it's only money.

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