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chris sweetland

04-29-2006 20:22:18




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ok i know everyone does it and i do it to but how safe is it to attach a chain to the bucket of a loader to hoist things? i do it alot and i mostly lift logs i have a 3/8" hook welded to the center of my bucket and will be adding two to each side tommrow just wanted to see what yall thought




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Mike M

05-01-2006 05:24:44




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 Re: lifting with a loader in reply to chris sweetland, 04-29-2006 20:22:18  
I have always used my loaders more for lifting things with a chain than I have the actual bucket being filled. Use a heavy grade of chain and use enough counter weight on the back and go slow and easy with a hanging load. Keep your hand on the loader valve ready for a fast drop if things get tippy.



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Billy NY

04-30-2006 08:01:13




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 Re: lifting with a loader in reply to chris sweetland, 04-29-2006 20:22:18  
It's a good question, as discussion of hoisting will always remind you of what and what not to do, reinforcing common sense and safety when doing so.

A loader with a hook on the top of the bucket and or a pair of forks is one of the most useful pieces of equipment to have. There are so many occasions where you can use one for lifting things.

Common sense is key to it, along with knowing your machine's limits. Centering the load, neatly rigging the item to be picked, not making sudden movements, staying out from the path of the hoisted item if it were to fall, keeping the hydrualics in good working order, replacing hoses before they burst is common sense to many but something to know for those who are not experienced.

I spent a lot of time in the site work field, as an equipment operator on some interesting earth work and underground utility projects, as well as supervising ironworker crews with cranes up to 300 ton capacity, the experience goes a long way in ones off hours. The dangerous thing is you get used to having all that available power and capacity, have to rememeber to scale it back when at home with say an ag tractor with loader.

At home and at the farm, I am constantly using a loader for hoisting, the one at the farm is a light duty quick tach on a 30 hp I'll say compact tractor. That one I can feel what is too heavy or off center and or easily recognize something questionable to lift, it has wheel weights and is strong for it's size but if you do something like make a quick move or on uneven ground, I know it will go over easily. I can pick my 7 foot wide tandem discs with it, but I don't pick and carry something that heavy, too dangerous, can back a truck under the load. ONE thing to remember is that most loaders will settle with weight on and the tractor running. This one does slightly.

The one I use at home, is on an old 850 Ford, the frame was broke in a few places and even then, the design of it ( wagner with 4 double acting cylinders and front pump ) held until I repaired it. You could see the stresses from picking a load, after I reinforced it, it did not flex so much.

A far cry from some of the powerful equipment I've operated, but the experience really comes in handy. I've cleared some trees and brush, opened up all the perimeters on our place that had overgrown for 20 years, done earthwork, landscaping, hoist implements, my welder, snow removal, using care and taking my time, staying within the limits of the tractor. A small utility tractor like or similar to mine with loaded tires and a very heavy but low profile cast iron counter weight ( looks made for a tractor, unlike the bulky 55 gallon drum with concrete many use ) really does the job. Granted the front end on this particular model is really not meant for a loader, ( and is worn, will replace the center pin-bushing soon ) it proves to be fine for the weekend warrior. As worn and abused as mine was when I got it, it's still rebuildable and has performed beyond what I ever expected. At some point and industrial model with a heavier front end will be necessary.

Stay on level ground, use the correct rigging and methods, don't get greedy, keep things in good working order, keep any help away from the load, use common sense, and don't make sudden moves, you should not have any problems, but always remember that it is possible for a hose to burst, rigging can fail, and a tractor can turn over, this goes hand in hand with not getting too greedy when making a pick.

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chris sweetland

04-30-2006 05:45:43




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 Re: lifting with a loader in reply to chris sweetland, 04-29-2006 20:22:18  
i just wanted to know because a friend of mine is comming with his tractor today to help me move a large rotten log pile and he wants to cut it all up and load it into the bucket also most loader are designed for the load in them not hanging off them thats why i had the question thanks, chris



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TimV

04-30-2006 06:09:32




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 Re: lifting with a loader in reply to chris sweetland, 04-30-2006 05:45:43  
Chris: If you lift in the center you should be fine within the normal constraints of the loader"s design. One word of caution--a side-mounted hook and a chain allows you to apply an uneven force to the loader, which can tweak (or even catastrophically wreck) a loader if you"re not careful. Just make sure to keep the load you"re lifting balanced (use both side chains and lift in the center if at all possible) and you should be fine.

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Allan In NE

04-30-2006 04:25:35




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 Re: lifting with a loader in reply to chris sweetland, 04-29-2006 20:22:18  
Chris,

That's what loaders are for. Just be careful!

Allan

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coloken

04-30-2006 00:13:52




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 Re: lifting with a loader in reply to chris sweetland, 04-29-2006 20:22:18  
Why else would you have a loader? Safety, or lack of it, is up to you, how you use the machine.



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souNdguy

04-29-2006 22:08:15




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 Re: lifting with a loader in reply to chris sweetland, 04-29-2006 20:22:18  
I use my loader like a crane all the time. Lifting / holding an implement to paint it.. loading stuff onto my trailer.. moving hay.. helping set tall poles into the ground.. etc..

Soundguy



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Mark - IN.

04-29-2006 20:44:48




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 Re: lifting with a loader in reply to chris sweetland, 04-29-2006 20:22:18  
I had a 3/8" flat bar tack welded across my loader, one 3/8" hook welded on each end where were supported by the bucket sides. Is what I used until I lifted the wrong something and the tack welds broke, and off it came. This time I tack it back on, will use bolts and big washers too.

When you use a loader, never raise the bucket higher than you absolutely have too. For me, I prefer the bottom of the bucket never higher than the front axle, and usually not quite that high. Clear the ground, not much more, and watch the speed. And shortest chains possible, little slack to whip.

Mark

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old

04-29-2006 20:30:56




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 Re: lifting with a loader in reply to chris sweetland, 04-29-2006 20:22:18  
Its very safe to do, if you never get under the load. You never worry about what it might hit if a hose brakes etc. Or in other owrds its ok to do but you alway have to make sure you and stuff you don't mind getting hurt might be under it. I do it all the time but I'm always careful when I do it and I NEVER depend on it not falling

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