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Gettin screwed on gas taxes

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NC Wayne

04-22-2006 22:09:12




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I was doing my IFTA fuel tax report the other night and something dawned on me. I know we're all upset over the high price of gas and fuel right now but I realized we've been getting screwed on the price for years. I haven't personally visited all 50 states but I'm gonna assume that the price everywhere is $X.XX.9 . Think about it, for ever gallon of gas you buy your getting screwed out of .1 cent because you know the government can't give back .1 cent because it simply doesn't exist. I don't know how much fuel is bought in the US every day but I'd be willing to bet there's a substantial amount of money being taken in by the government .1 cent at a time. I say drop the tenths of a cent crap and make it a whole cent and at least be honest about things. You know we're gonna pay it somehow no matter what, so the gov might as well be up front about it instead of sneaking in an added tax load (no matter how small) that we see no benifits for. Just my 2.9 cents worth..... ....

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NC Wayne

04-23-2006 21:34:13




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
Around here (NC) the taxes are usually posted on the pumps. To use hypothetical figures it's like 10.5 cents state and 10.4 cents federal. If you ad the posted taxes to the base price you always come up with a XX and 9 tenths of a cent tax on a gallon and that 9 tenths is often shown on the sign. Where I'm coming from is there is no such thing as 9 tenths of a cent so your actually getting taxed a tenth of a cent per gallon that you recieve no product for unless you buy a specific amount of fuel where the tenths amount to a whole penny. Like I said it's a small amount I know but put enough tenths of a cent into the government coffers and it'll add up faster than you think..... ....

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marlowe

04-23-2006 18:34:35




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
i wisconsin we pay 51 cents PER gal. in state and fed tax



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Right! - but not how you

04-23-2006 17:52:34




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
Where you get burned in on sales tax which is a % of sales price. As price of product goes up so does the sales tax you pay. This is a bonanza for our state government where they get 6%.



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Sam#3

04-23-2006 11:13:06




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
Here are some bits and pieces of info on fuel tax(es). I could find nothing in Missouri DOR about fuel being exempted from sales tax but none of my recent purchases from MO, OK or TX charged sales tax
Note: Fuel tax is charger by the gallon. We pay the same tax if the fuel is one dollar or ten dollars. So the rate goes down as the price goes up. Doesn't that make you feel better? :) Fuel tax
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Gasoline tax) Jump to: navigation, search A fuel tax (also known as a petrol tax, gasoline tax, gas tax or fuel duty) is an excise or sales tax imposed on the sale of fuel. In the United States, the funds are often dedicated or hypothecated to transportation, or even roads, so that the fuel tax is considered by many a user fee. In other countries, the fuel tax is a source of general revenue.
In most countries the fuel tax is not imposed on fuel which is not intended for transportation: fuel used to power agricultural vehicles, and or home heating oil which is identical to diesel. This creates an economic incentive for illegal use of fuel.
United States of America
The first U.S. state tax on fuel was introduced in February 1919 in Oregon. It was a 1 cent per U.S. gallon (0.3¢/L) tax. In the following decade, all 48 U.S. states and the District of Columbia introduced a gasoline tax, and by 1939 an average tax of 3.8¢/gal (1¢/L) of fuel was levied by the individual states.
While state fuel taxes had been around for more than a decade, the first federal gasoline tax in the United States was created on June 6, 1932 with the enactment of the Revenue Act of 1932 with a tax of 1 cent/gal (0.3¢/L). The U.S. federal gasoline tax as of 2005 was 18.4¢/gal (4.86¢/L), and the gasoline taxes in the various states range from 10 cents to 33 cents, with an average about 22 cents per U.S. gallon (5.8¢/L). Unlike most goods in the U.S., the price displayed includes all taxes, rather than being calculated at the point of purchase.

Who collects and pays the Missouri fuel tax? Missouri receives fuel tax from licensed suppliers on a monthly basis. The suppliers report and pay tax on the number of gallons of fuel removed from a Missouri terminal. Out-of-state suppliers may also collect and pay tax to Missouri on fuel removed from the out-of-state terminal with a Missouri destination. The tax is passed on to the ultimate consumer who purchases the fuel at the retail level. Importers of motor fuel, for which a licensed supplier/permissive supplier did not precollect the fuel tax, are responsible for remitting the fuel tax to the state.

What is the Missouri tax rate on motor fuel? Missouri’s fuel tax is 17 cents a gallon for all motor fuel, including gasoline, diesel, kerosene, gasohol, ethanol, biodiesel etc. The tax does not apply to dyed diesel fuel or dyed kerosene, which is dyed in accordance with the IRS guidelines. Missouri also collects two fees on all sales of fuel making the total tax and fees 17.55 cents per gallon

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coup

04-23-2006 05:27:54




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
i am a small comtractor for usps and they are only paying me $2.11 for a gallon while they are paying everyone else i know $2.7-something.....



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RB/CT

04-23-2006 05:06:58




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
I'm paying less gas tax in CT. Went from a full size Ford Pickup to a Chevrolet S-10 four cylinder. Also burned two tons of rice coal this winter to heat my home. Times they are a changin.



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oldfarmtractor

04-23-2006 05:04:23




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
I believe that in most states with a sales tax, the sales tax is charged on what would be considered the net product price. That means the price after the manufacturer has paid their taxes, after the retailer has paid their shipping, etc, etc. You are paying a sales tax which I would assume means a tax on the price of the sale.

Quite a few years ago, gas stations around here were changing x.xx5/ gallon and such.

But fear not, if gas goes to OVER $9.999 a gallon, they will have to drop the last nine due to digit space.

I wonder how long that will be.

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Steve Crum

04-23-2006 04:54:15




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
I wouldn't expect much to change, Taxation is the biggest industry in the nation. If everyone truely understood the breakdown of each tax we all pay, there would be a full scale revolt in a skinny minute. Once every tax from federal income tax right down thru to the sales tax on the pack of gum you just handed your kid is totaled up, you'll likely discover that nearly 60% of your income has gone to pay taxes in the past year. Do the taxing authorities know the word austerity especially in tougher times? NOT HARDLY!

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Exactly

04-23-2006 09:27:58




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to Steve Crum, 04-23-2006 04:54:15  
Yep they would be rioting in the streets if they had to right a check for the total and not taking it sight unseen in small amounts. I tracked my spending for two months and found that 42% was just taxes. That didn't include built in taxes of the cost of the items. Just what could be counted off the receipts and pay stubs.



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MarkB_MI

04-23-2006 04:53:37




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
The nine-tenths of a cent on gasoline prices has nothing to do with taxes. Many years ago, gas stations started advertising their prices as "xx.9 cents per gallon". (26.9 cents sounds cheaper than 27 cents.) The practice stuck, it's been around for at least 50 years. I imagine the idea that the nine-tenths is for taxes arose when customers asked "why the point nine?"; it was easier for the attendant to say "it's for taxes" than to give the real reason, which the attendant didn't understand himself.

You pay federal and state taxes on every gallon of gas you buy. The taxes are almost always rounded to full cents; I've never seen a state or local tax that was "xx.9".

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MadMallard.....NY

04-23-2006 04:29:00




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
Here in NY the sales tax for both the state and county is added after all the state and federal taxes are added to a gallon of gas so we are paying a tax on a tax.



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mjbrown(inNY)

04-23-2006 16:57:47




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to MadMallard.....NY, 04-23-2006 04:29:00  
I talked to a neighbor who until a year or two ago sold gas at his garage and he said the sales tax is not figured after the fed tax is added on but before. It still is a % of the price so it goes up with the price increases but not after the other taxes.



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Bob N.Y.

04-23-2006 15:46:31




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to MadMallard.....NY, 04-23-2006 04:29:00  
And the sales tax is figured as a %.



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Thack

04-23-2006 04:21:30




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
In Indiana we pay a State tax of .18 a gallon.



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Deerly Parted

04-23-2006 06:03:14




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to Thack, 04-23-2006 04:21:30  
Sounds about like Illinois except our wonderful governor(haha) is diverting over 2/3 of our gas tax revenue to cover other state costs instead of using it to build and repair roads.



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730virgil

04-23-2006 17:36:34




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to Deerly Parted, 04-23-2006 06:03:14  
what ya talking about ? you know the state of il has to keep cook county ,chicago and the welfare bums that live there on easy street



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730virgil

04-23-2006 04:01:54




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 Re: Gettin screwed on gas taxes in reply to NC Wayne, 04-22-2006 22:09:12  
last fall when price of gas started going nuts i was talking with local bp man i asked how much tax is there on gallon of gas ? he said we don't know it is added in before we get the gas . i have an idea we are paying sales tax on fed tax



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