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OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible fence

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williamOH

04-12-2006 13:25:29




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Has anyone ever installed an invisible fence? We're thinking of one for a puppy we're soon to purchase, but I don't know quite how they work.

I assume installation depth is 6-12 inches.

Do you need to have a complete circuit, or can you string just a single line? I'd like to put it right across the bottom of the driveway if possible. The fence on either side is pretty well dog-proof.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't need to fence in an entire yard -- I only need to fence off a particular area. Can it be done?

Thanks much!

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bob60

04-14-2006 08:04:21




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
we have the Invisible Fence brand of it, put in by the dealer 4 years ago. you need to train the dog according to their instructions.our german shepherd mix doesn't go near it. works great.



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Ben Rauls

04-13-2006 23:27:14




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
We just bought one. Theres no wire to bury, just a transmitter that sits in the middle of the house.http://www.safepets.com/if300.html, heres a link, check it out, we love ours.
Ben



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Mike M

04-13-2006 05:53:28




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
You only need the wire down enough so it's out of the way. We put ours in with a Mantis tiller edger attachment maybe 2-3 inches ? The local rental place rents a special machine to put that wire in but said it didn't work really well when the ground was wet and at that time ours was really wet.

We have a Blue Heeler ? mix ? and that invisable fence is the only thing that will keep her home ! We really love it. I tried to keep her tied up but she could break dog chains so I had to go to 1/4" real chain she also when the ground was wet would dig around the stake some and then pull it out. I'm talking about a 3 foot long piece of rebar ! I don't know how such a small dog can have so much pull ! That dog running around the neighborhood dragging 10-15' of chain hooked to a 3' section of rebar is the makings of a disaster. She got hung up a couple of cold nights and we had to go searching for her. At least she barked otherwise we would of never found her alive.

Petsafe advertises a no run through technology on one of their new models. I don't know what this exactly is or how it works but I'd give them a call and ask. You can order systems and parts right from them prices and service are really good direct from them.

I highly recommend one of these systems. Training is a good part of the success as is the mindset of your dog. We lucked out and got a smart dog that was easy to train.

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Buzzman72

04-13-2006 05:20:43




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
Now, you can think what you will about me...but I always figured an invisible fence was only good for keeping invisible animals corralled, in the long term. My family had horses when I was growing up, and it was all we could do to keep them inside a VISIBLE electric fence...then envision a horse [or other animal] finding no visible boundaries. Like they discovered with the regular electric fence, the yardbirds who really want out will soon discover that it only hurts for a moment, and once they're out it stops.

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Nolan

04-13-2006 04:51:53




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
Pretty routinely have dogs chasing my livestock from yards with invisible fences.

Several family members have invisible fences. All their dogs escape routinely once they learned the shock was a transient thing that stopped when they got out. As in charge, yelp, and free.

can't say I'm impressed with them.



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buickanddeere

04-12-2006 19:32:54




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 Stopping dogs from bolting across Re: OT: Anyone in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
We had a problem with the dog bolringa cross the fence until I cranked the sensitivity up so he had to travel 20+ft while getting zapped rather than 2-3 ft. For dim witted or headstrong dogs there is a high out put collar that WILL get thier attention. Rather than a high output collar I put a 2nd 1-1/2 mile range training collar on him and cranked the remote to MAX. The twice in two months he went traveling. He came home howling,whining and yipping while running sideways. He hasn't left since.

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noncompos

04-12-2006 19:29:43




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
(1)Got a chocolate Lab years ago; thought she"d overeaten, but then found we had a dog-pack instead of a dog. Now, she wasn"t overloaded with smarts, and I could see her going thru one of those "fences", but she was h--- on wheels taking care of the wife and kids..
(2) educating cows: in AZ, NM, Texas used those pipe cattle-guards for years...then people found that all they had to do was paint stripes, in the same shape as the pipes, where the road went thru the fence, and the cows wouldn"t cross

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Bill(Wis)

04-13-2006 05:35:26




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to noncompos, 04-12-2006 19:29:43  
Cows are a lot dumber than dogs. In fact cows are dumber than anything, except maybe sheep.



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MarkB_MI

04-12-2006 18:33:09




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
Brother-in-law put one inside his regular fence to discourage his two Big Labs from going over and under the fence. Worked real good for about two weeks until the dogs figured out that they could go right on through if they ignored the shock.



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Bill in NorthCentral PA

04-12-2006 17:41:33




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
The circuit has to be a loop. We have a very energetic 100+ pound lab that is dumb as a box of rocks. She will normally stop way before the fence, but if I am on the tractor, she bolts through it. I should have spent more time training her, but the system does its job well. I used a plow and just scuffed the sod and pushed the wire down into the slit. Where I crossed the sidewalks, I cleaned out a joint between slabs and slipped it in there and covered with a little dirt. PetSafe is the brand, online purchase, online battery purchase.

Good Luck,

Bill

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GeorgeH

04-12-2006 17:39:21




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
Don't forget to have it flagged if doing underground utility work and can attest to fact they are a pain in the neck if installing irrigation systems.



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alg

04-12-2006 17:33:59




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
Have one for a few years now.I have a Rotwieller/Doberman mix and it stops him dead in his tracks.You need to have a complete loop for it to work.After awhile they get use to it and don't challenge the fence.But you have to do the training up front,takes a couple of weeks.



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Sloroll

04-12-2006 16:59:55




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
My nephew put the collar on and took a run at it.

Looks like it works exactly like a tazer.



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Mark - IN.

04-12-2006 18:28:47




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to Sloroll, 04-12-2006 16:59:55  
Ha Ha Ha Ha! That's good. Ha Ha Ha Ha!

Wonder if maybe could buy one, get it all decorated up nice and pretty, and give it to the girlfriend as a... new wave necklace. And if she says she's going out with her girlfriends and I don't want her to...flip the switch, and wait for the screeching sound of the tires braking in the driveway, then wait for her to come back inside and say she didn't want to go out anyway. Yeah, I wonder... Great idea Sloroll, if I use it, I won't credit you with the idea. That way only one of us will get clobbered with a cast iron skillet in our sleep. Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Mark

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Harley

04-12-2006 18:11:33




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to Sloroll, 04-12-2006 16:59:55  
Now Bill, I don't want to hear any more about our gene pool down here in the Ozarks being so shallow. That sounds like a pure dee hillbilly trick if I ever heard one. Would be a funny thing to do at a backyard embidation excercise though. Harley



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dr.sportster

04-12-2006 16:57:04




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
Two neighbors got them and both dogs stopped wandering.Some kind of bird dog type breeds.Freindly types.



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Mark - IN.

04-12-2006 16:34:46




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
Never have, but know people that have, and appears to be a combination or somewhere in the middle of what Glen and Midwest said. In some cases, the dogs figure out don't go near...or will get shocked. Others will get shocked as they barrel through them and keep barreling out of site (a friend's lab).

Had some friends that got a lab from a rescue place, and had to sign a contract that wouldn't use an invisable fence and 2 years of random visits (home life inspections) from the place. Then introduced me to the rescue lady whom asked me if I'd be interested. "Nope, I get mine from the pound for $40 and save them from the glue pot if aren't bought within 10 days, and they get the good home they never had". Got a collie-shepard and a lab that way, two of the most obedient and loving dogs I've ever had. Both died happy and naturally at old ages. Got another unwanted scrapper lab now, same kind of dog. Spend lots of time with him, never raised a hand to him, and he knows what to do and when to do it. If we're out in a field or wherever and he's walking up in front of me, I just stop without saying a word. He doesn't hear me anymore, he stops and looks back and doesn't move until I give him "Good boy", and startup again. Got horse fence around a few acres he wanders when is unattended, otherwise he's out or in a truck with me.

You spend time with your dogs, show them love, respect, confidence, and dicipline, they'll learn and be great dogs. Toss them out in the yard, ignore them wagging tails and go straight into the house when you get home, and there'll be a dog that gets hit by a car first time it gets loose. Not a bad thing to take them out and walk them from time to time - they mark their territories, and know their scent back home in many cases. You can and should talk to them, but give two word commands (name + action). A dog's only as good as its master.

Mark

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Richard Scott

04-12-2006 16:09:20




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
My barber has one and says her labs have learned they don't get much of a shock by taking run straight across it.



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Glenn FitzGerald

04-12-2006 14:48:27




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
We have had underground fence for 6 years. I am VERY happy with it. However two items of note: I did the training by the textbook. I didn't cut ANY corners. In fact I trained longer and more frequently than recommended. Wire is burried just deep enough to keep it from getting caught in the lawnmower, etc. We cad a fair amount of trouble with vermin chewing off the #18 wire that was recommended. A couple years ago I burried #10 wire in plastic conduit. Zero problems. We have a full size collie and a golden retriever. We go away weekends, etc., dogs unattended. Neither the dogs nor I could be happier. Glenn

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massey333

04-12-2006 17:10:03




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to Glenn FitzGerald, 04-12-2006 14:48:27  
We have had Dog Watch Hidden Fence for over ten years now on 5+ acres(between 5000 to 6000 Feet of wire).No problems other than one lightning strike and me pushing my luck on batt.(3 getouts) but they came back on their own. Buy only from a local dealer who will stand behind their product,best advice I can give,NO WALLY-WORLDS and ETC,SERVICE is the key word.



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Uncle

04-12-2006 14:28:55




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
I have had more of them than I should have.
I can tell you that the PetSafe Units are the ones to have.
I went through several Gaurdiand from Wally World, and several of the other brands but the Unit from PetSafe is the one.
The batteries in the other units can cost $7 or $8 to replace and one unit I had, forget the brand, I had to order the batteries from Radio Shack as even Wally World did not carry them.
I have two dogs in two acres and not one problem.
Brian

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Dave_Id

04-12-2006 14:26:03




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
I install them all the time, but sometimes it's hard to get paid for my labor, because they can't see my work....Ha Ha Ha



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Midwest redneck

04-12-2006 13:54:32




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
I have a neighbor that used to have the inv. fence and all 5 of his golden labs got too used to it and would run right threw the inv. fence. For liabliltiy reasons I suggest a real fence.



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dzahm

04-12-2006 13:45:29




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to williamOH, 04-12-2006 13:25:29  
We have one and have for 4 yrs. It works by a magnetic field created by a small charge traveling down a wire from the "charger" around yard back to "charger". The collar worn by dog picks up magnetic field and "shocks" dog when he gets to close. the charger has an adjustment- NOT for strength of shock but width of the magnetic field! you can widen this to make the dog area smaller or the area where he gets shocked wider. Make sure the collar is touching the neck of the dog, BUT NOT TOO TIGHT. If need be you can shave a spot on the neck for extra shock power- but again make sure its not too tight. (one finger rule here applys to the electrodes) Depth of wire is around 2-4 inches, training takes a week or two depending on the dog. You can get a "super" collar that will shock and vibrate and beep---these work esp well. Buy the kit from pet smart but get your wire from Lowes its cheaper. Solder together, coat with the "electrical goop" for outdoor use and you'll be good. My dogs lives depend on this and it has worked well.

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Harley

04-12-2006 18:14:03




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 Re: OT: Anyone have experience with an invisible f in reply to dzahm, 04-12-2006 13:45:29  
Got a neighbor that's got one for his cows. It must be invisible, cause ya can't see what in the world keeps the cows in. I think that blue chalkline chalk would do more if ya could just educate the cows to turn at the chalk. Harley



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