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Alice Chalmers WD/WD45 stickshift questions

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rjl2

03-13-2006 17:26:44




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This message may come up twice, I forgot to put a subject and it didn't show up the first time.

I am looking to buy a WD45. However, I was told that the inferior WD model's emblems are often switched to WD45 emblems to increase their sale value. I was told that the distinguishing feature is the stick shift, that on one of the two the shifter is crooked, and that is how one determines if it is a real WD45. So my questions are:

Is it true that the one of them has a crooked shifter, and if so, which?
Should WD45s command higher prices?
Are WD45s considered better tractors?

Thank you for any help. I'm hoping there's no such thing as a stupid question(s)

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John (MO)

03-14-2006 06:07:40




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 Re: Alice Chalmers WD/WD45 stickshift questions in reply to rjl2, 03-13-2006 17:26:44  
There was about 5 horse power difference in the two tractors WHEN THEY WERE NEW. The house power difference after 50 years could be a whole lot more or a whole lot less than in was back then. Decals are the WORST way to try and figure out what a tractor is. I have seen LOTS AND LOTS of WD tractors with WD45 decals! Now granted some of those may have had WD45 cranks and pistons in them, many do have, but they were WD engine blocks without a question. Other have told you what to look for on the block and about the engine number difference, the transmission difference and all that. When a WD and a WD45 are equal in all manner of condition, the WD45 is worth a few hundred more than the WD. But we are talking about tractors that in running usable condition usually sell for between $800 and $2000, so 4 new tires can be worth a lot more than the rest of the tractor if you see what I mean. One of the major things to watch out for is if the transmission has been abused by years of grinding it into gear either by not waiting for the foot clutch to work properly or by trying to shift gears with the hand clutch alone. If the transmission is bad, the tractor will not stay in gear and it will be expensive to fix. Of course this is impossible to tell on a tractor that is not running, so I always assume the transmission needs work on those tractors. When you can, drive the tractor down hill in each gear and after it has built up some speed with an open throttle, quickly close the throttle. Make sure you have good brakes before you do this, otherwise it can be a wild rid on a tractor you have no way in the world to stop.

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old

03-13-2006 19:11:32




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 Re: Alice Chalmers WD/WD45 stickshift questions in reply to rjl2, 03-13-2006 17:26:44  
The WD engine has a side plate on the right side and a WD-45 engine doesn't have that side plate. As far as driveing and most other things you will never see a differance. I have both types and they are both nice tractors



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Hurst

03-13-2006 19:05:27




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 Re: Alice Chalmers WD/WD45 stickshift questions in reply to rjl2, 03-13-2006 17:26:44  
The straight shift lever was for a transmission with straight cut gears (most WDs) while the curved shift lever was for the tranmissions with helical cut gears (late WDs and WD45s). The helical cut gears can handle more torque than straight cut gears generally speaking. The WD45 is mainly just more powerful than the WD. It had a 201 cu in motor from the factory (a 226 with a shorter stroke and taller pistons). Overall, the tractors are very similar other than the motor and the transmission gears. A WD45 is worth a little more than a WD in the same condition. Good luck

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Aaron SEIA

03-13-2006 18:56:05




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 Re: Alice Chalmers WD/WD45 stickshift questions in reply to rjl2, 03-13-2006 17:26:44  
My WD Allis Chalmers is almost insulted being called inferior to the WD45. Almost. There was a slightly different shifter lever on the 45's as described below. Never heard of anyone changing stickers to hussle someone. The SN stamped on the left rear brake spring housing would give them away in a heartbeat. As for the differences, my dad has one of each and if you just drop someone on either one, they probably couldn't tell which was which from driving them.
Aaron SEIA

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D Will greenwald

03-13-2006 18:04:34




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 Re: Alice Chalmers WD/WD45 stickshift questions in reply to rjl2, 03-13-2006 17:26:44  
I've a WD with a 45 engine. That's what the seller said .Soooo I checked the stroke when I took the pan off to clean inside. Also on the left side I think it's stamped 45 next to the I.D. #.



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Arlen (MN.)

03-13-2006 17:41:34




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 Re: Alice Chalmers WD/WD45 stickshift questions in reply to rjl2, 03-13-2006 17:26:44  
The WD45 has a curved shift lever. However the later WD,s have that also. The transmission is different than on the early WD,s. Check your serial numbers to be sure that it is a WD45.



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